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Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by overfeed »

xdennis wrote: post #94
ilaksh wrote: post #18

I'm an atheist, but most of what I have heard from popes in recent years seems like sound and possibly needed advice. Also, even though I feel AI and robotics are very important for progressing humanity, I think that much of the world has long since lost a proper sense of intrinsic human value. It's really gone from overt exploitation to slightly more mild exploitation where we pretend the system is really merit base…

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> I don't think religions should appeal to outsiders

You'd have made strange bedfellows with cranky Catholics who thought so too, 60 years ago after Vatican II's modernization reforms.

> You can see this with the number of members for Unitarian churches (declining) vs Amish (growing).

Hold on a sec, you ought to clarify what you mean by "gain more members" - the Amish have a very high birthrate, averaging 6.1 kids per woman. While Unitarians are below the replacement rate.

> Games which chase inclusivity often fail, because the very people they appeal to don't actually want to play video games.

How is this old culture-wars canard still being rolled out? A glance at the character rosters on the Game of the Year winners for the past 10 years proves you wrong.

Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by pelasaco »

ilaksh wrote: post #18

I'm an atheist, but most of what I have heard from popes in recent years seems like sound and possibly needed advice. Also, even though I feel AI and robotics are very important for progressing humanity, I think that much of the world has long since lost a proper sense of intrinsic human value. It's really gone from overt exploitation to slightly more mild exploitation where we pretend the system is really merit base…

Martin Heidegger discussed it already. Technology isn't just a tool, but the way we shape the World. The question with technology and AI should not be only "what should we do with it", but beside it, "what does technology do with us"

Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by watwut »

orochimaaru wrote: post #30
ilaksh wrote: post #18

I'm an atheist, but most of what I have heard from popes in recent years seems like sound and possibly needed advice. Also, even though I feel AI and robotics are very important for progressing humanity, I think that much of the world has long since lost a proper sense of intrinsic human value. It's really gone from overt exploitation to slightly more mild exploitation where we pretend the system is really merit base…

Human value has rarely existed. Pre-industrial world didn't have much human value. Your were a lord or a serf. There was not much in between. A lord's life had value, a serf's value was nothing. Post-industrial world needed human capital. Hence, the need for human value. If you notice most of this "need" has arisen out of then need for industrial expansion. Post-AI will be interesting. Will we go back to pre-industri…

People really should stop making up history from childrens books. People were valuing people to various degrees and tool seriously the human value question in every single period we have records from.

And varrying degrees apply to post-industrial too - your human value did not meant much in very much industrial third reich fans hands.

Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by henry2023 »

erelong wrote: post #48

My expectations for the "encyclical": some kind of take on AI that poses as "conservative" while pushing views strongly opposed to Catholicism.

Thankfully we have you to tells us what true Catholicism is like. Maybe the Pope could come learn a little bit from you.

Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by andsoitis »

mrkeen wrote: post #104
jdkoeck wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suggest a look at the recent economic development of Bangladesh, if you want something less abstract to illustrate the point that the reduction in poverty is very noticeable. You would think that a great reduction in extreme poverty would give people pause, but it is almost always barely acknowledged. The strange conclusion is that people who tell you they care the most about poverty do not actually care about it i…

My last impression of Bangladesh was the fire accord stuff, i.e. build emergency exits and get garment factory owners to stop locking their workers inside since they keep going up in flames. Maybe they've grown. Is Bangladesh at the stage where they outsource labour to other countries yet?

Bangladesh's Human Development Index (HDI) has shown a consistent upward trend, reaching 0.685 in the 2023/2024 report, ranking 130th out of 193 countries. It remains in the "Medium Human Development" category, marking a 72.5% increase in HDI value since 1990 due to significant improvements in life expectancy, education, and GNI per capita.

https://data.undp.org/countries-and-territories/BGD

Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by andsoitis »

mrandish wrote: post #58
sneak wrote: post #2

Who is this for? Is this to promote AI to the general Catholic public, or is it some kind of cultural signal to potential conservative institutional customers that Anthropic isn’t just a stereotypical bunch of godless California hippies? Normally when I see these sorts of things it’s obvious what it is for and why, but this one confuses me.

> Who is this for? For the shrinking Catholic church it's trying to regain relevance. For Anthropic it's PR.

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Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by rounce »

vasco wrote: post #110
ilaksh wrote: post #18

I'm an atheist, but most of what I have heard from popes in recent years seems like sound and possibly needed advice. Also, even though I feel AI and robotics are very important for progressing humanity, I think that much of the world has long since lost a proper sense of intrinsic human value. It's really gone from overt exploitation to slightly more mild exploitation where we pretend the system is really merit base…

> I hope the speech isn't something dumb like "remember only humans have souls" because I think that's really premature and pretty obvious that AIs are not people at this point. It really is en vogue to have this attitude that everyone in church is stupid for believing but it's a huge disservice to yourself to not understand the Vatican is full of the equivalent of the best PhDs sourced from all over the world center…

“I hope X isn’t Y” is far from the same thing as “X is Y”. Seems like you’ve put words in their mouth so you can argue against some anti-religious straw man.

Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by [deleted] »

bonzini wrote: post #98
xdennis wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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For better or worse, the Catholic church has shaped most of western philosophy for at least 1500 years, including topics not necessarily related to existence of a deity or belief in that existence. It's not surprising that some of their thoughts seem sound and consistent with your ethics.

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