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Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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Post by davkan »

greenhat76 wrote: post #99
karim79 wrote: post #68

I don't really see the problem here. We're all getting laid off because AI I superior to us. I can now do the job of a product owner or even exceed it by simply prompting with some nuance, magic spells and bit of salt and pepper. But down the road the AI bros promise us that this will reduce inequality and make human society better, somehow. I really need to understand this shit and if anyone can weigh in on it I'd b…

I'm not so sure "ai" (LLMs) is superior to us. LLMs are actually incapable of being superior, maybe some years down the road some new tech makes my statement mute, but today is not that today.

moot*

Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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Post by wilg »

happytoexplain wrote: post #94
jmye wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You will never break through the thousands of hours of doomer bullshit people are fed on TikTok all day. The post you first responded to, for instance, is talking about not being able to afford a home in the entire state they work in, which is obviously ridiculous, but it feeds the same "woe is me" bullshit from people whose only outlet for existential angst is now bitching about how poor they think they'll be in fiv…

Some people are regurgitating social media. Most people are expressing the actual reality they are experiencing first- or second-hand. Give a shit.

Basically all the data we have about people’s actual reality (including and especially what they say they are experiencing first hand) does not match the dire descriptions of the people I’m replying to.

Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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Post by christoph »

cogman10 wrote: post #86
christoph wrote: post #61

Honestly, my opinion, our lives were fundamentally better before some tech came along - touchscren phones & “social” networks being the main two. We still haven’t caught up with the carnage this has caused. Kids social media bans are only now becoming a thing in some countries and we’re left with a deep sense of unease it’s really not to protect the kids at all. It’s lead to plenty of good as well, a luddite I am not…

> a luddite I am not I have to bring this up every time someone brings up luddites. I'm a Luddite. The Luddite movement was not "people scared of new technology". That's propaganda that's stuck around for far too long. Luddites were skilled craftspeople that saw businesses gleefully eliminating their jobs without any sort of plan or thought for what it'd do to their lives. They were weavers seeing industrial looms do…

Yes, you are totally correct and I really appreciate this type of comment. I used luddite just because of ease/laziness, but it was not correct at all in hindsight.

I totally agree with all your remarks btw. I think society having lots of skilled tradespeople is a major win for everyone. Yet we as a society seem to be doing everything we can to stifle and destroy a lot of skilled tradework. Much has already died over the last few decades and either will never return, or will take herculean levels of effort to get restarted.

Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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Post by wilg »

customguy wrote: post #107
wilg wrote: post #25

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"What people have" is robustly measured, well-understood, and pretty much all available evidence suggests that people (at least in the US and developed countries) are doing better than ever on most important metrics. But it is not as seductive as "everything is terrible"!

> doing better than ever on most important metrics I'd say the most important metrics are those that matter to people, not those that other people say should matter to them. Births are going down, suicide is going up, but they're just drama queens, we ran the numbers... that is what turns mere criticism into hatred. Less and less people own a bigger and bigger share of wealth, and they're too often not decent people…

Look, don’t know what to tell you, there is lots of extremely reliable well vetted and well understood information about the welfare of people on this planet and in what directions it is moving. Pretending information is imaginary or offensively abstract because you’re upset about income inequality (which is even more of an abstraction) is not good or helpful.

Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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Post by wilg »

xyzsparetimexyz wrote: post #38
wilg wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"What people have" is robustly measured, well-understood, and pretty much all available evidence suggests that people (at least in the US and developed countries) are doing better than ever on most important metrics. But it is not as seductive as "everything is terrible"!

Home ownership being one of them? What about % of people turning to sex work (either in person or online) for income?

This information is just... available to you. Yes, homeownership being one of them - improving.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RHORUSQ156N

Yes, "sex in exchange for money or drugs" - improving.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr046.pdf

Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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Post by isolay »

gpt5 wrote: post #71
voidfunc wrote: post #30

In our new era of corpo-facism the people will learn to love it or else. Nothing a couple years of brain washing bots and algorithmic feeds cant fix.

I actually completely disagree, and think that AI hate is just going to grow. My take is: 1. The public response resembles the stages of grief, and people are fluctuating between denial (AI isn't really that smart) and anger (AI is horrible). 2. Your perception of something tend to be shaped by the sum of your experiences with it, and a lot of the exposure to AI is via fake, scams, bots, and low efforts content (AI s…

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Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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Post by AussieWog93 »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #35
AussieWog93 wrote: post #10

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I've personally used Codex to reconcile financial data, and met a guy who basically built his own AI inference engine to help him fight a custody battle for his daughter (semantic search over gigabytes of documents). I'm not saying lawyers and accountants are going to all be out of a job (at the end of the day, they do more than just comb over documents to find the needle in the haystack), but a lot of the manual gru…

I would say there's basically zero chance lawyers go out of a job. As soon as it looks like lawyers will be replaced by AI, the people who run the government (who are lawyers!) will pass laws to make it illegal to cut the human out of the loop.

Oh, 100%. To clarify, the AI inference engine that the guy uses doesn't _replace_ lawyers, it's just used to answer the lawyer's questions and check for things like sneaky changes in contracts. Still impressive, though!

Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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Post by pllbnk »

So, what happened here is they stole all public works ever created and took them for themselves. All copyright laws were ignored without any repercussions, all the litigations of the past (Aaron Swartz for example) have been ignored. And they use it to enrich themselves by re-selling those public works after applying a lossy compression algorithm to prevent them being exact replicas. If the public hypothetically agreed and allowed this, then those models would have to all become public and given back to the people.

Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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Post by 10xDev »

fma wrote: post #80
10xDev wrote: post #4

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The tech industry is just eating itself. Other fields seem nowhere near as impacted.

It may not be as big as tech layoffs but my wife negotiated a relocation. We used a broker and a lawyer for the first time. We did consultation with a new set of brokers and lawyers. My wife felt they were not aggressive enough. She negotiated EVERYTHING with the landlord (a very large regional landlord). She got more than what she would get and everything was in her favor. Not only did she gain $50k more in tenant i…

Your average person is never going to do this. Sure, some people can do their own plumbing but the average person will just pay to get it done.

So far the responses are more about anecdotes than general trends.

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