Earlier quoted context omitted.
Comparing AI to resources it highly depends on is a bit far fetched.
What resource isn't interdependent with at least one other resource?
Water depends on AI?
Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
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Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
EU isn’t governed by the china communist party, the only way to stop being reliant to US is to stop trade with US and the cost of it will be enormous. Trump needs to create such a high political risk that the economic damage be justified. He definitely did a lot to help, but the damage needs to be irreparable so that business can feel safe from US competition. He needs to do do something so outrageous that Germany wo…
I think one could argue that he tried this "the easy way" in his first term. He vented against Nord Stream with NATO, he vented against the regulations and the energy dependence and closing the nuke reactors. But he didn't actually do anything about it. The difference now is that he's turning the screws and putting the pressure on. Call this "the hard way". I can understand why EU leaders do not like this one bit. Bu…
The Nord Stream is epic but he didn't argue for independence, he is arguing for US-dependence instead of Russia-dependence so this isn't flying as well as Americans believe it is because that was actually German issue, not EU wide thing at all. EU wide policy was renewables and as it turns out they are the right direction for independence.
In general, local governments are very unpopular in EU and Europe, everyone likes EU more than they like their governments.
Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#113>>>> In a world where you import all your digital services from the United States, you have no leverage over the United States It's a bit deeper than that. If AI becomes as ubiquitous as imagined, which it seems it will, it's not just a "digital service". It's a primary utility - like electricity, water or highways. Because without it your productivity will plummet. We aren't there yet - we will be there in a few yea…
Comparing AI to resources it highly depends on is a bit far fetched.
Not really. Unless those resources are going to disappear?
Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
> don't see fascist takeovers in the UK, France or Germany The horseshoe theory is in full swing lately, in UK after right wing libertarian rule came the left wing labour and now it’s once again the right wingers. They again won’t solve anything and more swings will happen until someone realizes that it’s the US trade that isn’t working. The rest of Europe is similar, they just happen to have more damping as most hav…
I just have to respond to this: I'm not sure how you meant this but, to be clear, horseshow theory is BS. For one thing, there's nothing remotely left wing about Starmer's Labor government. Labor is firmly a center-right party. So were the Blair and Brown governments. So we've had unbroken right-wing rule in the UK since Thatcher was elected almost 50 years ago. If Jeremy Corbyn had been elected, he may well have bee…
> There's nothing remotely left wing about Starmer's Labor government
And that's why they lost support so quickly. Centrism does't work anymore and being slightly to the right for left wing voter base and the far right voter base its unacceptable. Frankly it isn't even right vs left, people don't realize that Lenin were right and then that Hitler was right every 2 years, its a different dynamic.
Probably the best description is that they all want "Having the cake and eat it too", every few years someone comes up with an idea like we can have our cake and eat it too if we take immigrants, get rid of the immigrants, allow gay sex ban gay sex, increase tax decrease tax, increase regulation decrease regulations and so on.
Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because most people in the EU outside of the tech field care more about the welfare policies and overall quality of life than some ambitious tech projects of a few random private companies, from which they're unlikely to directly benefit from, especially when those are located outside of their member state.
Overall quality of life goes down if you just keep cutting up the pie without growing it, especially when you go into debt to buy more pie. The current youth in Europe are the first generation in decades to see worse living standards than their parents; Europeans' disdain for economic growth is already catching up with them.
That's the same in the USA! lol
Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
The hilarious irony is that Trump has been yelling at Europe since ~2017 to stop being so reliant on the US for everything, to pay more for its own defense, stop regulating and start innovating, etc. Basically everything that's in the Draghi report. Meanwhile, EU bureaucrats' heads appear to remain firmly buried in the sand.
Another hilarious fact: Trump has warned about Nord Stream 2, called it "a tool of coercion."[0] At this point it almost seems like Trump cares Europe more than EU leaders. [0]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50879435
He was reflecting, what he meant was if I had a pipeline to you that you are dependent on I would coerce you. He kept trying coerce EU with whatever US had on EU.
Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#117they already lost it but I guess it takes time to acknowledge it? Europe does not have capital or structures to catch up, it can't change in 2 years
Consider that Boeing once had no European rival.
Europe is bulding consensus on what technology sovereignty means. This is a self-interested statement within that discussion. At some point the EU will appoint at rapporteur to synthesise those viewports into a formal definition. The EC will use that to develop a programme of works which is satisfactory to the member states and other interested states.
The US is often lulled by the seemingly endless discursive nature of pan-European projects to think that they are not serious or effective. And then one day there is an Ariane or Airbus or Galileo.
Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#118I've read the article and I kind of agree with some of the things he's saying. It's more than just AI though. Energy is the big problem and the big problem there is that we're just not ramping up renewables quickly enough. Why? Corruption of course. We had a big leaded 15-20 years ago but the German car manufactorers and British/Dutch oil companies applied a huge amount of political pressure, aided by American intere…
Renewable energy is unreliable without a steady storage capacity and EU would still rely on raw materials for battery production on other countries. Further, regardless of the energy source, what is vital for AI or any other industry is a steady, reliable power source which cannot be provided only through renewables in EU, not only because lack of storage, but also unfavourable geography.
Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Power is 2-3x as expensive in Europe than American. They're toast. Europe is not Germany. Electricity price is 2-3x times more expensive in Germany. Electricity price for electricity intensive professional is around 12-14cts/kWh in France and can be reduce under 10cts/kWh for big consummers. Which is competitive with the cost in several US states (it is still higher than Texas but not 3x). Nordic countries should b…
Electricity price in Germany for industries was ~16,7ct/kWh in 2026, special ones pay 11-12ct today and will pay a capped 5ct soon.
> will pay a capped 5ct soon.
Make sense.
Production price in Europe is between 3.5-4.5cts/kwh averaged. The rest are mainly transport and taxes.
If the EU currently choose to exonerate industrial consummers from these taxes and offload them on citizen (which honestly make sense from a business perspective), they could currently beat most US states in term of pricing while providing lower carbon footprint/kWh
Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
How do you divorce being a European principally from being willing to pay taxes? What part of being uniquely European do you value that does not fundamentally require taxes?
I have to say, I visited Zurich once, and everything was clean, organized, civilized, and pretty. Friends told me taxes are high but you get great education, great healthcare, decent disposable income, and good transportation. If you get laid off, the state continues paying your previous salary for one (two?) years. If everything is taken care of me from taxes, why do I need money? Take it all.
Yeah, as an American, I think the thing that breaks the American brain is that you can have taxes that don’t just line the pockets of billionaires—that you can pay taxes and get high quality services as a result. There are so many conservative and libertarian Americans who think that taxes are necessarily squandered while they simultaneously elect politicians who insist on squandering taxes so they can prove that taxes will be squandered.