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Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by goalieca »

miki123211 wrote: post #93
pretzel5297 wrote: post #74

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I'm against any kind of age verification legislation, but this is a really bad argument. It doesn't answer the question of "what do we do about parents that don't do their job properly." In theory, one could implement age verification by negligent parent imprisonment, in practice, I don't think that would work, and definitely not in all cases. If we accept the premise that children having unfettered access to the int…

> It doesn't answer the question of "what do we do about parents that don't do their job properly."

Define “properly” and how often do the self-righteous themselves cause harm. I see a strong desire for people to want to “control” all outcomes on everything and have everyone in the world think and say and act as they want.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Is the charitable reading of whatever’s going on in Europe right now that European states don’t believe they can hold American tech giants accountable to their laws? I genuinely don’t see why a law banning under-14 year olds from social media wouldn’t be the first step.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

#113

Post by JumpCrisscross »

Chance-Device wrote: post #84

I think this is a genuinely difficult problem that happens to look exactly like what you’d need for extended surveillance. When I think about it seriously, I end up coming up with the idea of a whitelist enforced on device for local accounts used by children. This would probably block most of the internet, and allow access only to sites that are validated as being safe. This would put a lot of pressure on sites and s…

> the idea of a whitelist enforced on device for local accounts used by children

What’s wrong with making it the social media companies’ problem? If they sign up a child, they get fined. Everyone is then incentivized to come up with solutions. If some of those are shit, restrict them. If they’re not, great.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by miki123211 »

ktallett wrote: post #62
cryo32 wrote: post #57

I have seen some of the inside of this and it's not quite as clear cut. One side of this is driven by a bunch of not too reputable think tanks behind the scenes who persuaded a couple of fringe academics to agree with them and push for it via the civil service. The government is taking bad, paid for advice. I don't know what the agenda is there but there is one and I reckon it's commercial. Probably a consortium of b…

This comment is a little unclear. However no matter what the government or security services want, they won't be able to stop people who want to use VPN or End to end encryption. Nothing would ever change in that regard.

VPNS need money to operate, and money businesses have anchors in the real, physical, brick-and-mortar world, which is ultimately under control of the British police, with their extendable batons and prison bars.

If you make money by laying asphalt on British streets and get paid in British pounds, there's no way for you to pay an internet business in Malta if the British government doesn't want you to. Sure, there's crypto, but crypto needs businesses which let it interface with the British banking system, which the UK government can instruct banks to shut down.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by Chance-Device »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #113
Chance-Device wrote: post #84

I think this is a genuinely difficult problem that happens to look exactly like what you’d need for extended surveillance. When I think about it seriously, I end up coming up with the idea of a whitelist enforced on device for local accounts used by children. This would probably block most of the internet, and allow access only to sites that are validated as being safe. This would put a lot of pressure on sites and s…

> the idea of a whitelist enforced on device for local accounts used by children What’s wrong with making it the social media companies’ problem? If they sign up a child, they get fined. Everyone is then incentivized to come up with solutions. If some of those are shit, restrict them. If they’re not, great.

Did you actually read the post that you’re replying to?

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by iamnothere »

miki123211 wrote: post #93
pretzel5297 wrote: post #74

[flagged]

I'm against any kind of age verification legislation, but this is a really bad argument. It doesn't answer the question of "what do we do about parents that don't do their job properly." In theory, one could implement age verification by negligent parent imprisonment, in practice, I don't think that would work, and definitely not in all cases. If we accept the premise that children having unfettered access to the int…

“Properly” is the choice of the parent, except in some narrow cases we’ve defined culturally.

The last thing we need is society deciding in detail how children should be raised. CPS horror stories are bad enough as it is.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by MajorTakeaway »

miki123211 wrote: post #94
hiisukun wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They probably should at least update it -- I don't think a government should recommend free VPN services. Too many of them are a form of botnet, malware, ddos, etc.

And most people don't even need them any more. The days of free WiFi hotspots being able to easily steal your credentials are long gone.

They never went away, just from your mind. Look at cheap xfinity wifi hotspots everywhere that still steal your credentials in the form of phone number and email address. The bar I went to last night has a free wifi hotspot like every establishment ever.

Misinformation smells like your own farts, disgusting to everyone but you.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by amazingamazing »

pretzel5297 wrote: post #107
miki123211 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm against any kind of age verification legislation, but this is a really bad argument. It doesn't answer the question of "what do we do about parents that don't do their job properly." In theory, one could implement age verification by negligent parent imprisonment, in practice, I don't think that would work, and definitely not in all cases. If we accept the premise that children having unfettered access to the int…

We don't hold parents responsible for most neglect. Why is this special?

Does UK not have equivalent to CPS?

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by jonathanstrange »

It's worth pointing out that some people under some circumstances need to use VPNs. For example, timestamp.apple.com stalls when I call it from my machine, so I cannot sign any executables for macOS. When I use a VPN that changes my IP number, signing and notarizing works perfectly fine. My CI chain would literally not work without a VPN.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by iamnothere »

goalieca wrote: post #111
miki123211 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm against any kind of age verification legislation, but this is a really bad argument. It doesn't answer the question of "what do we do about parents that don't do their job properly." In theory, one could implement age verification by negligent parent imprisonment, in practice, I don't think that would work, and definitely not in all cases. If we accept the premise that children having unfettered access to the int…

> It doesn't answer the question of "what do we do about parents that don't do their job properly." Define “properly” and how often do the self-righteous themselves cause harm. I see a strong desire for people to want to “control” all outcomes on everything and have everyone in the world think and say and act as they want.

Yes but you see, my views are the correct ones and should be the only allowable views. Other people who want this are controlling and their evil views are simply wrong. If you don’t agree with me you’re a bad person.
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