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The quiet renovation at Bitwarden

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Re: The quiet renovation at Bitwarden

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

xweb wrote: post #12

Thank you for this post/link. I have been side eyeing Bitwarden since they started ensh*ttifying the desktop UX last year to make it more like everything else and take up too much space. It had been working perfectly well for browser autofill - super fast and staying out of the way. Now it is bloated white space, slow, standardized UX elements like any SaaS built by AI. Will check out Vaultwarden, Proton Pass, Keepas…

I really don’t think a UI redesign is the intended meaning of enshittification. BW has had by far the best free option for password management since I started using them 8 years ago.

Do I like the UI changes? Eh it’s not my favorite but I don’t use it that often to care.

Re: The quiet renovation at Bitwarden

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Post by krupan »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #84

I got my parents using bitwarden a few years ago. This was a massive improvement over them writing passwords in a little notebook in a drawer (yes, really!). But Keepass is a bridge too far for them. I'm not that enthusiastic about it myself to be honest. The UX is a bit meh (for the clients/extensions I've tried) and file syncing and handling is not something I can in good conscience push to a non technical user. It…

KeepassXC is much better than older keepass clients. Syncthing runs quietly in the background. It's really not much harder to use that other password managers once you set it up

Re: The quiet renovation at Bitwarden

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #98

What a shame. I've been a paying Bitwarden customer since 2018. I really don't have time to move off yet, but I'll need to keep an eye out for where to jump. It sucks that this seems to just be the logical conclusion of all great projects.

Literally nothing has been taken away from BW yet, it’s all just speculative for now

Re: The quiet renovation at Bitwarden

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Post by krupan »

schnitzelstoat wrote: post #39
Havoc wrote: post #32

After the LastPass fiasco I switched to selfhosting a password manager (bw). Rapidly starting to think even a vibecoded solution may be a better plan relying on commercial options. High risk of don’t roll your own crypto mistakes but realistically that’s not the threat model here anymore for the random individual. It’s online breaches or perhaps a wrench attack not highly skilled crypto adversary. Plus there are prob…

The LLMs also help a script kiddie become a highly skilled crypto adversary though. Especially if the concerns around Mythos are well founded.

The concerns around Mythos are not well founded

Re: The quiet renovation at Bitwarden

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

waysa wrote: post #19

It still says "Always free" on the website for me. It's both on the billing page on the page linked in the article. I do share the concerns though. The change in leadership, the poor transparency, 100% price increase and the quiet change in core values. I was happy paying $10 yearly for Bitwarden. I'm still okay with $20 but there's a seed of doubt.

They mentioned in an update that they accidentally removed “always free” text during a website update and put it back quickly. Seems the article was written in the intervening period

Re: The quiet renovation at Bitwarden

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Post by thesuitonym »

duckmysick wrote: post #103
giancarlostoro wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not my project but Vaultwarden is an open source (in Rust) alternative backend for Bitwarden. I believe its been around a while, and is still maintained. https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden

Question for anyone self-hosting vaultwarden: how reliable is it and how do you harden it? I'm thinking about running it in a container (Podman Quadlet with systemd) behind a VPN, with daily backups with borg. Anything I'm overlooking here?

It's as reliable as you make it.

Re: The quiet renovation at Bitwarden

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

misswaterfairy wrote: post #90
waysa wrote: post #19

It still says "Always free" on the website for me. It's both on the billing page on the page linked in the article. I do share the concerns though. The change in leadership, the poor transparency, 100% price increase and the quiet change in core values. I was happy paying $10 yearly for Bitwarden. I'm still okay with $20 but there's a seed of doubt.

> It still says "Always free" on the website for me. It's both on the billing page on the page linked in the article. Just went to the website directly: says "Get Started Free". "Always Free" is only present at the bottom of the pricing page for personal customers. What concerns me more is that they've started using the same language that Adobe had been panned for: "$price a month, billed yearly". To me, thats weird…

The placement at the bottom of pricing is always where it was. Nothing has changed

They did raise the price to $20 (but the free version is still amazing). But that’s still really cheap and pretty much all services have gone up in price in the past 10 years (inflation)

Re: The quiet renovation at Bitwarden

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Post by hypeatei »

duckmysick wrote: post #103
giancarlostoro wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not my project but Vaultwarden is an open source (in Rust) alternative backend for Bitwarden. I believe its been around a while, and is still maintained. https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden

Question for anyone self-hosting vaultwarden: how reliable is it and how do you harden it? I'm thinking about running it in a container (Podman Quadlet with systemd) behind a VPN, with daily backups with borg. Anything I'm overlooking here?

> Anything I'm overlooking here?

Not technical, but the person behind that project now works for Bitwarden so there's some risk of a rugpull. Of course it's OSS but you'll need to trust a fork or maintain it yourself if said rugpull happens.

Re: The quiet renovation at Bitwarden

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Post by cwoolfe »

The Bitwarden chrome extension just randomly stopped working for me the other day. This is after years of working flawlessly. I had to remove the extension and add it back to get it working...What a shame. Hosting a password manager isn't a game; these are people's real lives and businesses at stake.
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