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Meta to receive $3.3B in tax breaks for its $10B Louisiana data center

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Re: Meta to receive $3.3B in tax breaks for its $10B Louisiana data center

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post #94

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It's tempting to blame any political outcome you don't like on lobbying. It allows you to believe that almost no one supports the outcome that you don't like, because you can blame it on politicians manage to be bought by a small number of lobbyists. But it might not be the case. Several states (I believe Texas, Georgia, and Indiana) don't charge sales tax to data centers. So from Louisiana's perspective, the alterna…

"If states all worked together, they could plausibly prevent this race to the bottom by agreeing on a universal sales tax minimum" The states, under Trump, are all working together to ensure a race to the bottom happens, both in the U.S. and abroad. One hundred and thirty five nations worked together to create a minimum corporate tax rate called "Pillar Two". It would have factored in tax breaks for projects like thi…

Well, now you see the issue. It only takes one hold-out for the plan to fail. The federal government could pass a law to at least ban it within the US, but the federal government can't seem to pass any laws right now.

Re: Meta to receive $3.3B in tax breaks for its $10B Louisiana data center

#112
post #93

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There's a lot of ground between gifting $3.3 billion in tax incentives to a megacorp for a short-term increase in construction employment and allowing a homeowner build a second dwelling on their lot. Incidentally, that same $3.3 billion could build around 10,000 accessory dwellings in Baton Rouge.

What are the details of the tax incentives? Some are "real loss" (e.g., the area produced $10k a year in property tax before, and now produces $0) and others are "lost future taxes" where it produces nothing now, and now will produce nothing for 10/20 years (this is the type often used to convince Walmart to build here rather than there).

Re: Meta to receive $3.3B in tax breaks for its $10B Louisiana data center

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Now if they can actually do something with AI that is meaningful? I assume Mark is trying to reach for like some crazy goal instead of just getting reasonable products to market. I've known the type of person who chases the stars instead of just taking their time, building up the core and then snowballing into greatness.

It's actually kind of amazing that (apparently, but I'm willing to be wrong) AI has resulted in more people getting banned (rather than less, which you would think. You would think AI makes this easier to filter out, search for problem accounts, whatever) Like, the problem was always the asymmetry. Can FB police everything? Probably not. Should they be able to operate at scale if they can't? Unclear. Section 230 blah…

I stopped using Facebook because they nearly banned me because their AI was too stupid to notice a joke comment. I was working for Red Lobster corporate at the time, and was the admin of the Facebook app, so if I had gotten banned, it would have been a mess. So I flat out stopped using Facebook. I maybe log in once in a blue moon, then log back out. I appealed the strike, then not even 5 minutes passed, I was denied. I don't even remember being able to explain why what I said was not worthy of a warning, but honestly, screw em. I don't even need it for work anymore, but I'm never going back to that dystopian shell of social media.

I do hate it though, Mark has meaningful funding to build some actually useful AI, hell if he started bottom up, he can have his anime waifu he wants.

Re: Meta to receive $3.3B in tax breaks for its $10B Louisiana data center

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post #5

> Hyperion will be exempt from state and local sales and use taxes on its data center equipment for the next 20 years, which includes the GPUs that train and develop AI models. Sherwood News estimated that since the state’s combined state and local sales tax stands at 9.56%, spending the roughly $35 billion for the GPUs of the center will hand the firm about $3.3 billion in tax breaks.

Does Hyperion have to buy GPUs in the state where they deploy them? How does that stuff even work at those scales?

Re: Meta to receive $3.3B in tax breaks for its $10B Louisiana data center

#116
post #96

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It’s the phrasing/tone. It’s such a red flag. As to his being answered: somebody responding to him in good faith does not suddenly validate what he was doing.

There was nothing wrong or offensive with my phrasing.

I'm surprised that your comment is dead. Apparently there was evidence (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48153756), so I don't see the problem with having asked.

Re: Meta to receive $3.3B in tax breaks for its $10B Louisiana data center

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From https://sherwood.news/tech/hyperion/ >> Per the report, the package of tax breaks and incentives was achieved through local officials bound by nondisclosure agreements, quietly struck legislative deals, and parliamentary sleight of hand to avoid public scrutiny of the deal. >> So the residents of Richland Parish did not have much of a heads-up on what was coming. No voting, no public interests, only closed-door…

but there will be voting; all of the elected officials will have to face elections at some point, and voters can put their feet down right now: everyone is voted out.

And then those companies can give them their due ~~bribes~~ totally free and unrelated gifts out of the goodness of their hearts to such illustrious paragons of American governance, as legalized by the supreme court recently.

Re: Meta to receive $3.3B in tax breaks for its $10B Louisiana data center

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post #100

From https://sherwood.news/tech/hyperion/ >> Per the report, the package of tax breaks and incentives was achieved through local officials bound by nondisclosure agreements, quietly struck legislative deals, and parliamentary sleight of hand to avoid public scrutiny of the deal. >> So the residents of Richland Parish did not have much of a heads-up on what was coming. No voting, no public interests, only closed-door…

I'm not at all surprised to learn that Republican politicians royally screwed their constituents. I was going to say maybe these people will vote better next time just to read that Colorado governor is commuting the sentence of Tina Peters. Democratic leadership is so freaking weak it's unbelievable. With one party full of grifters and the other with full of weaklings, we need to abolish this two-party system.

Don’t worry, if you take a step back it’s been a one party system for decades already.

Re: Meta to receive $3.3B in tax breaks for its $10B Louisiana data center

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post #100

From https://sherwood.news/tech/hyperion/ >> Per the report, the package of tax breaks and incentives was achieved through local officials bound by nondisclosure agreements, quietly struck legislative deals, and parliamentary sleight of hand to avoid public scrutiny of the deal. >> So the residents of Richland Parish did not have much of a heads-up on what was coming. No voting, no public interests, only closed-door…

I'm not at all surprised to learn that Republican politicians royally screwed their constituents. I was going to say maybe these people will vote better next time just to read that Colorado governor is commuting the sentence of Tina Peters. Democratic leadership is so freaking weak it's unbelievable. With one party full of grifters and the other with full of weaklings, we need to abolish this two-party system.

Does the commutation of Tina Peters' sentence have anything at all to do with this situation?

Re: Meta to receive $3.3B in tax breaks for its $10B Louisiana data center

#120
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was nothing wrong or offensive with my phrasing.

I'm surprised that your comment is dead. Apparently there was evidence ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48153756 ), so I don't see the problem with having asked.

It’s surprising to me as well. Such an innocuous question. Don’t fully understand why people found it offensive enough to flag.
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