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A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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The people decided that this sucks and have spoken. Dear god, make America stupid again!

So you're suggesting our systems should be less democratic, then? Maybe opposing points of view should pick better candidates that will actually win elections. That's how it works, right?

> So you're suggesting our systems should be less democratic, then?

Well, what should a democratic society do when that democracy votes to overthrow it and do fascism?

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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Not at all, the US is still the world leader in research institutions. And I say this as an European, we’re miles behind really. You have to make a lot more fuck ups for us to catch you.

Yeah, in Europe we simply don't have the money. And with an aging population and stagnant/declining productivity that seems unlikely to improve in the future. If anyone is going to overtake the US, it will be China.

Sounds same as China? No money, aging population? Not sure how the Chinese Universities are doing, but the international ones seem struggling (they pay foreign faculty 5–10x more, by law). Not so sure about the next 5 years. Could be messy.

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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post #94

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They are saying the opposite. People have been coming to America for higher education and staying here and that has historically benefited the US. And that seems to be changing.

I am also saying the same thing. They are commenting that the flight of human capital was coming from abroad and is no longer. However that's not what brain drain means. You would say "Iran had a brain drain in the 70s" not "America was brain draining Iran" makes no sense.

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Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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The real problem is we make it too hard for international researchers to stay here. These high end student visas should have strong paths to permanent residence - maybe even an expectation

This was a relatively widespread opinion 20 years ago. I had Roy Blunt, Republican senator from Missouri at the time, come to talk to us, telling us that he thought a science Ph.D should come with a green card stapled to it. But the politics of immigration never let small bills through, as people wanted bigger ones, and the bigger ones always had things that would risk filibusters. And we all know that the current US…

> he thought a science Ph.D should come with a green card stapled to it

This will be goodhearted to hell in this day and age.

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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post #36

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Not at all, the US is still the world leader in research institutions. And I say this as an European, we’re miles behind really. You have to make a lot more fuck ups for us to catch you.

I think the highest ranked technical universities by the end of this decade will be Chinese. Things are accelerating more than I expected.

I've my doubts. Chinese researchers are publishing a lot but their papers are getting retracted at even higher rate. Currently, they account for 50% of all retractions across the publishers. https://arxiv.org/pdf/2602.19197v1

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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MIT Current Graduate Student are 41% international. https://facts.mit.edu/enrollment-statistics/

Yup, it’s called a brain drain and it’s why until recently America held a vice grip on groundbreaking research and its commercialization.

are there any stats pointing to these students going to different schools? we know birth rates fell sharply starting ~2008 and have stayed low. [https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsrr/vsrr043.pdf]

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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I read this as saying that MIT is becoming less competitive? Means if you just finished your BS, applying to a PhD program at MIT may be a 20% better bet than before, especially with the job market in its current condition…

It would actually be _more_ competitive, because what's driving the reduction in admissions is uncertainty in grant/funding availability.

That means fewer available slots overall. Kornbluth's comments don't explicitly state anything about _applications_, just _admissions_. Given the heightened economic uncertainty and poor job prospects for recent graduates, I'd expect more students to be looking for graduate school as a way to tide themselves over.

So a very, very bad picture for folks seeking graduate education and training.

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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I read this as saying that MIT is becoming less competitive? Means if you just finished your BS, applying to a PhD program at MIT may be a 20% better bet than before, especially with the job market in its current condition…

If you're applying to MIT, there are 20% fewer assistanships and (depending on the department and program) something like 10% fewer applications.

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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Note that MIT carefully avoided identifying one of the root causes of this - the so called "Genesis" program that replaces all traditional, peer-reviewed national science funding programs with a half-baked GenAI drivel-fest with no clear application guidelines, a 6-week application timeline, and rules that funnel half of a now diminished national research funding pool to corporations that bribed the Trump administration.
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