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Dutch suicide prevention website shares data with tech companies without consent

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Re: Dutch suicide prevention website shares data with tech companies without consent

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post #51

I thought Europe was more careful about things like this. This is pretty bad, these people are vulnerable and they're just mining they're data for profit.

They are not mining the data profit; they are mining the data for managing their website.

Google is mining the data for profit and bartering with websites like this to get it.

Re: Dutch suicide prevention website shares data with tech companies without consent

#112
post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say that like there's a difference. You say that like the detail of data that Google Analytics farms is acceptable. You say that like what Google does with the data is acceptable. Just because companies want the data doesn't mean they deserve it.

What does Google do with analytics data that's not acceptable to you? https://support.google.com/analytics/answer/1011397 says "Regardless of your data sharing settings, your Analytics data may also be used only insofar as necessary to Maintain and protect the Analytics service."

> Maintain and protect the Analytics service

This is a pretty broad leash.

"To maintain the analytics service we need to make money"

Re: Dutch suicide prevention website shares data with tech companies without consent

#113
post #73

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If anything I did had a 1% chance of involuntary committal I would stop doing that thing immediately.

I don't think that's the right way to consider your odds of involuntary committal. It really depends on what you say in the calls. The more immediate and serious the danger the more likely you are to be involuntary committed. The caller range is quite large.

So that means you have to watch what you say if you call such a line. That seems risky enough to discourage me from calling if I were in such a state.

Re: Dutch suicide prevention website shares data with tech companies without consent

#114

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Yep, as someone who suffers from depression and suicidal ideation regularly its been made very clear to me on multiple occasions that I would rather be in this state than interface with involuntary committal. I don't know what points you are looking to score here.

I have several loved ones in the same situation, including two who've wound up in hospital in this way. I'm glad they did. Fun? No. But better than dying.

I get it, I am not advocating to live unmedicated or anything, but pretty much every emergency medical experience I have had any contact with in the USA has been so universally painful and dehumanizing that it gives me extreme pause, I would not willingly engage with it.

Re: Dutch suicide prevention website shares data with tech companies without consent

#115

"How many people came to our contact page, but left without calling the hotline?" "Don't know, boss. We'd need to add analytics." "Like what?" "Google Analytics? It's free and pretty much universal." "Ok, do it." It's just standard. Not great, and Google uses the data in all sorts of ways that they don't make obvious. But it's not a cabal of evil website owners selling data to tech giants. They're just trying to run…

At some point we have to get used to the idea that there are no such thing as free services. If you're not paying for something that clearly has a cost to the entity providing it, then value will be extracted from you in other ways.

Re: Dutch suicide prevention website shares data with tech companies without consent

#116
post #32

It's telling, IMO, that Western cultures deals with suicidality with hotlines you can call. It's like some joke from gonzo journalism come to fruition. I don't know what the answer is, but as a person who's been suicidal, for me it wasn't a hotline. It's even more fitting, if not kind of perfect, that said hotlines farm your data and sell it. :chef's kiss: what else is there to say. Like just about everything else, c…

I saw a LinkedIn thread just the other day that called it the "suicide prevention industrial complex," and that phrase will stick in my head like "orphan crushing machine" or "leopards eating faces"

Re: Dutch suicide prevention website shares data with tech companies without consent

#117
post #92
post #32

It's telling, IMO, that Western cultures deals with suicidality with hotlines you can call. It's like some joke from gonzo journalism come to fruition. I don't know what the answer is, but as a person who's been suicidal, for me it wasn't a hotline. It's even more fitting, if not kind of perfect, that said hotlines farm your data and sell it. :chef's kiss: what else is there to say. Like just about everything else, c…

The logical next step is to replace the suicide hotline operators with AI. And maybe add a way for other people to gamble on the results.

You're getting downvoted but that IS the logical next step and it will totally happen.

Re: Dutch suicide prevention website shares data with tech companies without consent

#118
post #32

It's telling, IMO, that Western cultures deals with suicidality with hotlines you can call. It's like some joke from gonzo journalism come to fruition. I don't know what the answer is, but as a person who's been suicidal, for me it wasn't a hotline. It's even more fitting, if not kind of perfect, that said hotlines farm your data and sell it. :chef's kiss: what else is there to say. Like just about everything else, c…

> It's telling, IMO, that Western cultures deals with suicidality with hotlines you can call

What is it telling?

Re: Dutch suicide prevention website shares data with tech companies without consent

#120
post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Analytics as well as Microsoft, which indeed makes "tech companies". What are you implying here really?

The headline as written implies active sharing, at first glance it sounds like an active conspiracy between the website and Google. Dropping Google Analytics on a page is not an active conspiracy.

> Dropping Google Analytics on a page is not an active conspiracy.

It absolutely is that website deciding to trade data about their visitors in exchange for getting something for free. That's "active sharing" in my book.

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