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California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Post by dmitrygr »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #99
kyrra wrote: post #64

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California also needs a special blend that is only required in California (CARBOB). A lot of that is refined outside of the US, because there is not the capacity domestically. Cali could immediately have more fuel and cheaper prices by dropping their special requirements.

Last year there was some rumbling that Newsom would start to increase production because two refineries were closing sooner than later with the prospect of much higher gas prices. Since CA is really pushing renewables hard and transitioning off of fossil fuels, all the front runners for CA governor have indicated they are steadfastly against increasing production. Gavin Newsom warms to Big Oil in climate reversal: ht…

> Newsom would start to increase production

Newsom is not a refinery nor does he own any refineries. He cannot increase any production by definition.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

annoyingnoob wrote: post #98
kyrra wrote: post #64

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California also needs a special blend that is only required in California (CARBOB). A lot of that is refined outside of the US, because there is not the capacity domestically. Cali could immediately have more fuel and cheaper prices by dropping their special requirements.

We could die chocking on the air that produces too. Understand the history in CA and the reasons we have special gas. Would you really want to hurt children for cheaper gas? Really? https://today.usc.edu/las-environmental-success-story-cleane...

> Would you really want to hurt children for cheaper gas? Really?

Yes. Most voters would, too. "Cheaper gas" understates how serious even a $20/week increase in living costs can be for a household on the margin.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Post by at-fates-hands »

legitster wrote: post #92
Avicebron wrote: post #66

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I suppose it's too much to ask that oil produced in the US be used for the US people?

Depending on the type of oil and the refinery availability it's not that simple. Not all sources of oil can go to all refineries. Also, there's the bigger geopolitical problems that creates. If the US knocks over the global energy supply and then retreats and abandons our trading partners, the knock-on effects would be even worse. A large part of the reason WWII existed was the breakdown of international trade during…

How do you think the UAE leaving OPEC will effect the oil markets in the coming months and years? Its being touted as having a major impact.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Post by hparadiz »

GenerWork wrote: post #106
annoyingnoob wrote: post #98

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We could die chocking on the air that produces too. Understand the history in CA and the reasons we have special gas. Would you really want to hurt children for cheaper gas? Really? https://today.usc.edu/las-environmental-success-story-cleane...

Those rules around special gasoline were made when both federal and California car exhaust regulations were much looser than today, and electric cars were a complete pipe dream. I've seen estimates ranging for savings from $.25 to $1 per gallon if California dropped the requirements. >Would you really want to hurt children for cheaper gas? Nice appeal to emotion.

It's more emotional to drop an important regulation over a dollar. I was already paying $5 for premium before all this and now it's $5.75. Big deal.

I'd rather have clearer skies.

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Post by dylan604 »

com2kid wrote: post #55
hamdingers wrote: post #43

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A bicycle and moderate fitness is the ultimate in self-reliance but you never heard them promoting that either.

Bicycle doesn't carry a family of 4, or carry loads of dirt or pick up lumber or tow a trailer. Also my e-bike needs more maintenance than my EV. Go figure.

I was very pleasantly surprised at how much my single cargo e-bike can handle. It is big, nearly the size of a tandem bike, but it served me well for 5 years of not having a car.

Curious about your maintenance needs. I have a guy that comes out once a year for service and tunes it up for me. After 3 years, I replaced the chain. I've upgraded to hydraulic brakes by the same guy. Other than that, it's been smooth riding. Or are you saying your EV needs so little maintenance that even the low maintenance on a bike seem high?

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Post by flumpmaster »

throw03172019 wrote: post #76
kyrra wrote: post #64

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California also needs a special blend that is only required in California (CARBOB). A lot of that is refined outside of the US, because there is not the capacity domestically. Cali could immediately have more fuel and cheaper prices by dropping their special requirements.

Is this an emissions reducing based blend?

Yes.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Post by triceratops »

bdcravens wrote: post #26
smlacy wrote: post #8

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Yeah especially given that California is a leader in renewable energy sources.

Yes, but even the renewables market is dependent on petroleum-based transport and infrastructure.

But the more renewables get used the less true that is.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e »

oceanplexian wrote: post #107
annoyingnoob wrote: post #98

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We could die chocking on the air that produces too. Understand the history in CA and the reasons we have special gas. Would you really want to hurt children for cheaper gas? Really? https://today.usc.edu/las-environmental-success-story-cleane...

Texas has plenty of refineries and the children there aren’t dying or choking on the air.

It has to do with LA geography. The surrounding landscape traps the pollution so it cannot dissipate away from the city.

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Post by olyjohn »

com2kid wrote: post #55
hamdingers wrote: post #43

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A bicycle and moderate fitness is the ultimate in self-reliance but you never heard them promoting that either.

Bicycle doesn't carry a family of 4, or carry loads of dirt or pick up lumber or tow a trailer. Also my e-bike needs more maintenance than my EV. Go figure.

It does carry a family of 4 in a lot of places. I've seen entire clothing stores set up on bicycles in places like Thailand.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

mjhay wrote: post #68
pear01 wrote: post #53

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In such a situation - especially heading into the midterms - an export ban may be increasingly probable.

An export ban wouldn’t really help much: US oil production is (now) predominantly light crude, while US refinery capacity is oriented towards heavy crude from the gulf or Venezuela. We produce more oil than we use, but we can’t refine it all.

> An export ban wouldn’t really help much

It could help in the long term by underwritig refinery retooling. The problem is you'd almost certainly need public support for those investments, given they could be undone by the lifting of such a ban. (An export ban would also trash America's reputation with our import partners.)

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