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Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Post by nelsonic »

blks wrote: post #100
SunshineTheCat wrote: post #11

I know that I'm in a bit of a bubble with this one, but I am surprised there is still anyone using Chrome instead of Brave. I get the dependency on Gmail other Google-specific tools, but the built-in ad blocking and Google-free aspects of it made me switch instantly and haven't look back after years.

I was using Firefox, Vivaldi, Zen, and finally got fed up with various issues that Zen was having, so I switched to Waterfox. I am very happy and the browser is very fast; difference is immense.

Waterford -> WaterFox for anyone wondering: https://www.waterfox.com/

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Post by dave78 »

Markoff wrote: post #17
SunshineTheCat wrote: post #11

I know that I'm in a bit of a bubble with this one, but I am surprised there is still anyone using Chrome instead of Brave. I get the dependency on Gmail other Google-specific tools, but the built-in ad blocking and Google-free aspects of it made me switch instantly and haven't look back after years.

why would you use brave with annoying crypto and no customization over superior Vivaldi?

To each their own, but I've been using Brave for a long time (5+ years I think?). It was one or 2 clicks to turn off the crypto stuff when I first installed it. It was straightforward and no dark patterns were employed. It has never come back, unlike what Google and Firefox tend to do with their annoying features. It even syncs my preferences to any new browser I add so I only had to do it on one computer once and never worry about it again.

The web's dependency on Chromium engines is deeply concerning, I agree. I used Firefox for a long time. But at this point, IMO Brave is the most pragmatic choice if you want a browser that's not Google but "just works" with the modern web.

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Post by blks »

nelsonic wrote: post #111
blks wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was using Firefox, Vivaldi, Zen, and finally got fed up with various issues that Zen was having, so I switched to Waterfox. I am very happy and the browser is very fast; difference is immense.

Waterford -> WaterFox for anyone wondering: https://www.waterfox.com/

Thank you, autocorrect sometimes misfires.

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Post by bix6 »

bloqs wrote: post #88
bix6 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1 for Brave. Been on it for years and it’s fantastic. Strongest security settings without issue. O no they gave you BAT for visiting websites. Ahhh crypto everyone run!

I'm not familiar with this?

With the BAT aspect? You get tokens for seeing ads. It never really took off but kudos for trying.

Also hilarious that I got downvoted on my main comment but nobody was willing to show themselves.

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Post by [deleted] »

skocznymroczny wrote: post #47
SunshineTheCat wrote: post #11

I know that I'm in a bit of a bubble with this one, but I am surprised there is still anyone using Chrome instead of Brave. I get the dependency on Gmail other Google-specific tools, but the built-in ad blocking and Google-free aspects of it made me switch instantly and haven't look back after years.

I switched to Firefox when Chrome started messing with the ad blockers. Haven't really had any issues. I prefer developer tools on Chrome but I rarely need to use them anyway.

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Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

cferry wrote: post #96

My belief is that the AI business is all about data collection. The value isn't so much in the quality of the models (that's what enterprise customers and developers pay to get), but in the amount of data that comes "for free" to whoever hosts the models. And then it's worth whoever buys it thinks it is, like insurers or advertisers.

"My belief is the AI business is all about data collection."

The "business" of so-called "tech" companies is all about data collection

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2017/05/06/the-worlds-most...

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Post by mvdtnz »

nmeagent wrote: post #103
tcp_handshaker wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Because some things only work in Chrome. What things? Looks like an urban myth.

I've run into a few restaurant sites whose ordering pages just do not work properly (or at all) in Firefox. Also webgl2 performance is unfortunately still much better in Chrome vs Firefox; as an example, FoundryVTT (virtual tabletop software) works fine in Firefox but is a stuttery mess IME (though it has improved slightly in the last few years).

I'd bet my bottom dollar those websites still work in Edge, Chromium and Brave. The alternative to Chrome is not Firefox, it's just Not Chrome.

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Post by fragmede »

GeekyBear wrote: post #105
plopz wrote: post #24

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Brave started off incredibly sketchy and with terrible reputation, for example https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18734999 I haven't ever considered it since and I assume many others are in the same boat.

> Brave started off incredibly sketchy Chrome has stayed incredibly sketchy from the beginning, when Google gained marketshare by sneaking Chrome into the installer for other products that people intentionally downloaded. Then Chrome did things like "accidentally" uploading your entire browsing history to Google servers when you signed into Gmail. Now they have declared war on ad blockers, despite the government warn…

That's a different kind of sketchy than whatever crypto ad replacement stuff that Brave was accused of doing.

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Post by Vinnl »

xacky wrote: post #55
skocznymroczny wrote: post #47

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I switched to Firefox when Chrome started messing with the ad blockers. Haven't really had any issues. I prefer developer tools on Chrome but I rarely need to use them anyway.

The trouble is that Mozilla has admitted they can't survive without Google's revenue. You are basically using Google by proxy unless you use a truly independent browser engine of they get blocked by Cloudflare for not having enough fingerprinting tech.

Mozilla is paid when people search on Google through Firefox. If you're not searching with Google, you're not using Google by proxy.

(Work at Mozilla, but not related to this - this is just public info.)

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Post by fragmede »

janalsncm wrote: post #98
xacky wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trouble is that Mozilla has admitted they can't survive without Google's revenue. You are basically using Google by proxy unless you use a truly independent browser engine of they get blocked by Cloudflare for not having enough fingerprinting tech.

What browser can genuinely claim independence from Google? Chromium browsers are all arguably in the same camp. If FF is implicated, then so are forks like Zen. Safari is probably the only one?

Ladybug is in the running. We'll have to wait and see where they get to.
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