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Pinocchio is weirder than you remembered

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Re: Pinocchio is weirder than you remembered

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Post by geophph »

pawelduda wrote: post #66
geophph wrote: post #20

Lies of P is a fantastic video game (soulslike) that felt to me like a dark take on the Pinocchio story at first, but now maybe seems more in line with the original material. A lot of the references carry through.

The game's way darker still but it doesn't feel overdone. You can tell a lot of soul was poured into it. Nice to know that it all somehow traces back to its source I remember hearing about "Pinnocchio soulslike" and just couldn't imagine how that'd work. Now it's one of my favourites - especially with the expansion.

Agreed Overture was fantastic! Looking forward to the sequel.

And yeah, you’re right it’s wayyy darker ha.

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Post by ffsm8 »

pwdisswordfishq wrote: post #110
ffsm8 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I was too unclear with my comment... Because I can see were you're coming from. Eg. BBCs Black Mirror - which is obnoxiously turning out to be more of a prediction then a cautionary tale - is definitely in the range of "darker content" in the vain I was talking about. But the target demographic is adults. The old stories are meant to relate to you. The whole reason they were being told to very very young kids…

Black Mirror was on Channel 4, not BBC.

Oof, thanks for that correction. I must've mixed its producer up with Sherlocks which I watched at a similar time

Re: Pinocchio is weirder than you remembered

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Post by eps »

arjie wrote: post #15

When I was a child in India, the fairy tale books that you could get easily were a bunch of Eastern European ones: Russian, Karelian, that sort of thing. And they were full of crazy stuff, man. The cossacks were constantly getting their heads cut off and this and that. I went back to India a year ago, and one of the things I made sure to bring back were my copies of those books (and the Journey to the West translatio…

I can reciprocate -

When I was a pre-teen I found a book of Indian fairytales in a library. It was a translation, it was thick, the stories were few pages each, easy to read and beautifully illustrated. The content however was terrifying. So much violence, greed, poverty and suffering. The retribution when it was dispensed was as satisfying as it was over-the-top cruel. Eye-gouging was like an entry level option.

It was very long time ago, don't remember any details, but I still shudder remembering it.

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Post by taeric »

geophph wrote: post #20

Lies of P is a fantastic video game (soulslike) that felt to me like a dark take on the Pinocchio story at first, but now maybe seems more in line with the original material. A lot of the references carry through.

I was curious on this when it came out. There are some really good youtube videos of folks taking a dive on this and it was a delight to watch them.

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Post by dugidugout »

pawelduda wrote: post #66
geophph wrote: post #20

Lies of P is a fantastic video game (soulslike) that felt to me like a dark take on the Pinocchio story at first, but now maybe seems more in line with the original material. A lot of the references carry through.

The game's way darker still but it doesn't feel overdone. You can tell a lot of soul was poured into it. Nice to know that it all somehow traces back to its source I remember hearing about "Pinnocchio soulslike" and just couldn't imagine how that'd work. Now it's one of my favourites - especially with the expansion.

I personally could not stomach the clocktower. I may just be bad at platforming, but the stage felt jarringly frustrating compared to the pleasant frustration I was having with the rest of the games challenges. After my 10th or so time getting blasted by a fireball while inching across a beam, I made my peace. It is a shame because I very much enjoyed the premise and world otherwise.

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Post by gchamonlive »

anbotero wrote: post #106
gchamonlive wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> overprotectiveness is why we have many >20 y/o people who can't speak for themselves and are overly shy. Is this even true or is it just your personal impression?

I'd like numbers/evidence on it too, but for my own generation, I compared my cousins for years precisely about overprotectiveness, and those who were only protected against extreme imminent danger have succeeded in life way further (for their starting conditions, socially and economically) than those who had my aunts all over them not letting them fall and have scrapes. Anecdotally, again, the parents of those who d…

I'm not disputing that, my gripe is with the part ">20 y/o people can't speak for themselves and are overly shy". Can we really put an entire generation under this flag? Idk... I've met some 20 somethings and they seemed pretty functional to me.

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Post by isityettime »

ffsm8 wrote: post #80
kombookcha wrote: post #70

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It's important to remember that these stories are orignally an oral tradition that only fairly recently began to be written down. They would have had a myriad of differing versions depending on the preferences of the storyteller, their community and the intended effect on specific audiences. In a way, retelling these stories in a way that's meaningful to the listeners is the way it always has been. We just have to re…

Isn't that the other way around? People back then had more contact with the darker reality we live in - hence it was more relatable. Current generation of people in the west have been completely sheltered and protected by the establishment for all their life and have completely forgotten that isn't something natural. With every generation since WW2 this has gotten more pronounced, and at this point people unironicall…

> Or maybe I'm just reading your comment wrong

Yes, you are. Their point is orthogonal to whether people in other times or places typically have/had it worse in terms of agency, fairness, safety, etc. Their point is about the flexibility and natural variation of the original oral medium as opposed to the crystalization of written text.

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Post by ahartmetz »

rob74 wrote: post #50
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #8

Some of these things described as "weirder" really aren't. For example, Pinocchio burning his feet off and getting them replaced by Gepetto - this is a comical example of things implied by the story premise. We have a child carved of wood, a flesh and blood child burns off their feet is a tragedy, but carved of wood we make new feet, hah hah! Not saying this particular incident is to be expected exactly, but events o…

It's "weird" if you compare it with modern-day "child-safe" stories/comics/movies. It's definitely not weirder or more shocking than its contemporaries or predecessors. Here in Germany, the most well-known ones from that era are probably Grimms' Fairy Tales ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimms%27_Fairy_Tales ), Struwwelpeter ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struwwelpeter ) and Wilhelm Busch's Max und Moritz ( https:…

Wihelm Busch stories are the only ones that I remember really scaring me. They were cruel as hell. Heads cut off with scissors, a nose twisted off, kids thrown into the mill (Max und Moritz, well that was presented in a light-hearted way compared to many others), various limbs removed, cursed to live under water by / with a cruel and ugly (male) mermaid-type thing https://www.zootier-lexikon.org/images/Amphibienprogramm/Leh... , etc...

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Post by MarsIronPI »

pmontra wrote: post #30
notorandit wrote: post #13

It would (maybe?) sound like an inappropriate book for children. Yes, in the 2nd half of the 20th century. Not so in either 19th and 21st centuries. In 19th century Italian (but maybe also other countries') children had to grow quickly to cope with life and work brutalities. They often had no mother, died while giving them birth, and started working at 7 or 8 to help their families. In 20th century, instead, they hav…

I was born in the second half of the 20th century, I read Pinocchio as a child and the Grimm brothers and more. Those were the books for children. Did they damage us compared to kids of 50 years later? I can't tell. Probably nobody can tell until at least next century.

Well it can't be worse than TikTok-induced brainrot, so if that's what we replace Pinocchio with then I'd say we were better off before.

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Post by phainopepla2 »

gchamonlive wrote: post #116
anbotero wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like numbers/evidence on it too, but for my own generation, I compared my cousins for years precisely about overprotectiveness, and those who were only protected against extreme imminent danger have succeeded in life way further (for their starting conditions, socially and economically) than those who had my aunts all over them not letting them fall and have scrapes. Anecdotally, again, the parents of those who d…

I'm not disputing that, my gripe is with the part ">20 y/o people can't speak for themselves and are overly shy". Can we really put an entire generation under this flag? Idk... I've met some 20 somethings and they seemed pretty functional to me.

You conveniently left out the the "we have many" part of that sentence you quoted. No one is suggesting it's the entire generation, or that there aren't plenty of 20-somethings who socially very functional.

But there is evidence out there that Gen Z has higher levels of shyness and social anxiety than previous generations. I personally believe overprotectiveness is one causative factor among others, although I'm not sure whether the evidence is there.

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