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Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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Post by 7thpower »

zero_shift wrote: post #98
stavros wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What did actually happen? I haven't played the game.

During the mainline of the game you are an anti terrorist specialist sent to rescue the president from a bunch of stereotypical mad bombers Well, basically, the leader of the terrorists is the 43rd US president, who is a clone of a super soldier despite being ostensibly anti cloning in office. (Yes, he's Dubya). He's planning to detonate a nuclear weapon above Manhattan so an EMP field knocks out all communications.…

I am pretty sure I am going to file this away for some copypastas when I want to confuse someone. I’ll just have ChatGPT or whatever swap out some words.

Thank you, my friend.

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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Post by cookiengineer »

serf wrote: post #105
tombert wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone focuses on that part, but what the hell was with the girl that could repel bullets but it turns out that it was magnets but actually maybe she does have powers? And what about the weird thing where you start sword fighting your father/president/clone? Yeah I know, sure, fake information on the internet. It's so prescient I guess, but the actual story is incomprehensible.

>Yeah I know, sure, fake information on the internet. It's so prescient I guess, but the actual story is incomprehensible. apply this logic to john carpenter movies and they fall apart, too. Escape from LA is just about as absurd, just less paranormal. Nuclear powered personal submarines, surfing typhoon waves from California plate shifts, transforming bullet-proof stealth helicopters, emp superweapons and engineered…

Man, now I have the music of The Duke arriving in my head.

Thanks!

edit: the soundtrack sure was a banger at the time

https://youtube.com/watch?v=eX_t63eZqyk

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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Post by tombert »

stavros wrote: post #104
badlucklottery wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really "random", there is a coherent story (and a moral to that story) underneath all the weirdness and you'll sometimes forget how crazy it's gotten because your current objective tends to make sense (ex: "defuse the bombs"). But all MGS games are basically playable Kojima manifestos with sci-fi trappings. The actual minute-to-minute gameplay for them is really, really good so even if you don't dig the stor…

Hmm, interesting, thanks. I played MGS 1 when it came out, multiple times, as I liked it a lot. I don't remember it being so weird, but maybe I didn't pay enough attention to the story.

The first one gets a bit goofy with the evil twin stuff, and the unintentionally funny dialog like "Do you think love can bloom on the battlefield???", but certainly doesn't go nearly as off the rails as the second one.

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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Post by tombert »

serf wrote: post #105
tombert wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone focuses on that part, but what the hell was with the girl that could repel bullets but it turns out that it was magnets but actually maybe she does have powers? And what about the weird thing where you start sword fighting your father/president/clone? Yeah I know, sure, fake information on the internet. It's so prescient I guess, but the actual story is incomprehensible.

>Yeah I know, sure, fake information on the internet. It's so prescient I guess, but the actual story is incomprehensible. apply this logic to john carpenter movies and they fall apart, too. Escape from LA is just about as absurd, just less paranormal. Nuclear powered personal submarines, surfing typhoon waves from California plate shifts, transforming bullet-proof stealth helicopters, emp superweapons and engineered…

To be clear, I enjoy the games, I've played through MGS2 all the way through twice. It's a good game.

I even enjoy the story, but I view the story as something like a soap opera; a story that is extremely compelling and addictive as you're watching it, but upon turning it off you find yourself questioning what it is you just watched.

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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Post by casualscience »

tombert wrote: post #68
casualscience wrote: post #38

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Not much, just accurately predicted the next 30 years exactly

Everyone focuses on that part, but what the hell was with the girl that could repel bullets but it turns out that it was magnets but actually maybe she does have powers? And what about the weird thing where you start sword fighting your father/president/clone? Yeah I know, sure, fake information on the internet. It's so prescient I guess, but the actual story is incomprehensible.

A lot of people focus on the whole dynamic of corleone family and their position in American society in the Godfather. But seriously did you see what vito was eating in the restaurant?? Makes no sense

Kojima always has some paranormal activity in his games. And he does like to subvert expectations about what is technology and what is paranormal

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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Post by wesselbindt »

charcircuit wrote: post #108
Lammy wrote: post #97

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> While archival sounds like a noble goal, in practice it is an excuse used by people who want to steal copyrighted works and take advantage of them “Take advantage” of them by restoring cut content, fixing bugs, and porting them to platforms that Konami never would. I am very excited for MGS2 to be taken advantage of.

A thief would be excited to eat the food they stole. Taking's other stuff for free always looks great from the thief's perspective.

> A thief would be excited to eat the food they stole

I don't concede that the act of sharing this code is stealing, of course. The act of helping one's fellow man is a good thing. You've made your stance clear, and the very cogent and fairly conclusive arguments people have made against your stance don't seem to land, and I have no interest in repeating that exercise (and neither do you, I'm sure).

But this phrase stood out to me, and in particular that you would choose food as an example. You could've used any other example, like a new hat, or a baseball bat, a tricycle, a mirror, and so on. But you chose food, something people need to survive. Is the case of stealing food not at all morally ambiguous to you? What about the case of a young mother stealing diapers she can't afford?

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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Post by matheusmoreira »

stavros wrote: post #82
tombert wrote: post #6

Maybe with the source code, I'd be able to figure out what the hell happened in the last ~2 hours of the game.

What did actually happen? I haven't played the game.

Kojima knew that everyone had played MGS1 and were highly anticipating the sequel, so he deliberately trolled them all by baiting their expectations then subverting every single one by doing the opposite of what people wanted him to do. And he also spawned a lot of AI memes along the way.

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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Post by matheusmoreira »

stavros wrote: post #101
zero_shift wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

During the mainline of the game you are an anti terrorist specialist sent to rescue the president from a bunch of stereotypical mad bombers Well, basically, the leader of the terrorists is the 43rd US president, who is a clone of a super soldier despite being ostensibly anti cloning in office. (Yes, he's Dubya). He's planning to detonate a nuclear weapon above Manhattan so an EMP field knocks out all communications.…

...what? I watched the Dunkey video linked elsewhere and thought he was making it up, he wasn't? The whole story is just random stuff happening?

> The whole story is just random stuff happening?

Welcome to Metal Gear Solid. Half the fun is creating a coherent narrative out of the sheer number of random postmodern happenings. You should see MGSV. Its entire existence is an attempt to connect the series back to the original excuse plots of the original Metal Gear games from the 80s.

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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Post by matheusmoreira »

7thpower wrote: post #106
malfist wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but the actual story is incomprehensible. You're almost there. Double the convolutions in your post and you'll finally understand Kojima. And yes, that chick really does have to be topless, its not sexism. See, she breathes through her skin. Thats why she's such a good sniper

We were robbed of the end to that game. I loved it so much and will always wonder what closure I would have been robbed of if they had just completed it.

Mandated last generation console support gimped the game's scope too... It pains me to imagine what could have been.

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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Post by AngryData »

charcircuit wrote: post #17
tfigueroa wrote: post #11

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It’s, what, 25 years old? There have been many sequels, prequels, remastering. The economic benefits of this IP are largely exhausted; that it is now leaked to the commons isn’t an alarming thing.

The game just had an update to support the Switch 2 only 2 months ago. It is still being used commercially.

It is also trivial to emulate these days, so to me I don't see any potential lost sales. Worst case it reveals some mostly already suspected story details that were cut or left unstated in the final versions. MGS4 might still have some value because you need expensive hardware to emulate decently and it isn't perfect still. But a 15 year old computer can emulate MGS2 better than it originally ran on the xbox.
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