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Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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Post by bluecheese452 »

pyaamb wrote: post #89
mvdwoord wrote: post #16

I am completely baffled by this wave of new laws and proposals... they feel dystopic and can seemingly only lead to brutal restrictions on the internet. What will we end up with? Only attested modems / endpoints in the home? With DPI? And a government issued smartcard to use it? It comes across as if this is what some legislators are actually after... they must have some technical advisors who can explain to them tha…

when can we hold lawmakers personally responsible for any consequences resulting from passing bad laws?

You can.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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Post by Spooky23 »

mvdwoord wrote: post #16

I am completely baffled by this wave of new laws and proposals... they feel dystopic and can seemingly only lead to brutal restrictions on the internet. What will we end up with? Only attested modems / endpoints in the home? With DPI? And a government issued smartcard to use it? It comes across as if this is what some legislators are actually after... they must have some technical advisors who can explain to them tha…

The people making these decisions are religious fanatics. They don’t care.

This is one of the reasons why the purge of the federal government and military has happened. Surveillance state stuff was pretty scary from day 1… doubly so now that the leadership is all toadies who will remain embedded for decades.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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Post by iamnothere »

ambicapter wrote: post #76
OutOfHere wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tax money is a prerequisite for strong enforcement. Without an excess in tax money, there isn't going to be substantial enforcement. Think ahead.

Here's another prerequisite, even farther back than "strong enforcement"--not voting in governments with authoritarian tendencies.

Unfortunately it’s been impossible to avoid Red or Blue flavored authoritarianism for the last few decades due to authoritarian control over both the political process and the entrenched bureaucracy.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

mvdwoord wrote: post #16

I am completely baffled by this wave of new laws and proposals... they feel dystopic and can seemingly only lead to brutal restrictions on the internet. What will we end up with? Only attested modems / endpoints in the home? With DPI? And a government issued smartcard to use it? It comes across as if this is what some legislators are actually after... they must have some technical advisors who can explain to them tha…

> they must have some technical advisors

I dare you to get half a dozen people with a technical background to call their electeds and explain why these rules are stupid. (And, if they insist on implementing age gates, as seems to be popular, the least worst ways to do it.)

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

progval wrote: post #82
OccamsMirror wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's all coming from Meta: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/reddit-user-uncovers-beh... Big tech wants regulatory capture.

There is no evidence it is actually coming from Meta. The Reddit researcher the article cites generated their entire "analysis" in three days using Claude: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47659552 Their website also added this page since I posted that comment: https://web.archive.org/web/20260411112604/https://tboteproj... where they claim their website is under "surveillance" because it got a few thousand reque…

> There is no evidence it is actually coming from Meta

My personal view that social media should be age gated is caused by Meta. But broadly, polling shows a commanding majority (60+ percent) of Americans believe in restrictions for under 14s.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

bradley13 wrote: post #96

This is happening simultaneously in many Western countries. It is clearly somehow coordinated. You don't need a tinfoil hat to see the conspiracy. Equally clearly, this is a first step to requiring identity, and ultimately government approval for your activities in the internet. Somehow, we really must reign in the political class, before we truly land in a dystopia.

> It is clearly somehow coordinated

Well, yes—parents’ groups are coordinating. Similar to how drunk driving and cigarette rules were passed globally in about a generation. You don’t need reptiles when polling is so strongly against kids on social media.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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Post by iamnothere »

abustamam wrote: post #28
kordlessagain wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop paying so much is not the same as not paying. Why are you making it otherwise?

Oh OK, thanks for clarifying that I can pay less than I owe and be scot free.

Make less, pay less.

If you’ve had a successful career already, you may be able to “drop out” and find a place to live cheaply. I’ve heard good things about Panama.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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Post by xbar »

gnerd00 wrote: post #103
morkalork wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We will end up with what China, Russia and Iran have. The American right has come to grips with the fact that their ideas and beliefs will not will not win on merit alone so they're moving to restrict and eliminate alternatives.

LOL - its just "the right" eh?

Who is supporting this law?

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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Post by hackernews682 »

bradley13 wrote: post #96

This is happening simultaneously in many Western countries. It is clearly somehow coordinated. You don't need a tinfoil hat to see the conspiracy. Equally clearly, this is a first step to requiring identity, and ultimately government approval for your activities in the internet. Somehow, we really must reign in the political class, before we truly land in a dystopia.

This. And the coordinated rollout of digital currencies. It is all a part of the control grid being prepared for us.

One would think this would be obvious to more HN readers, being the supposed technical “systems thinkers” they purport to be.

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