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Re: Your website is not for you

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The ones who treat a website as their personal taste vehicle are the designers! Over and over I see tiny illegible fonts and gray-on-gray buttons being defended by the designer who made it.

Maybe I have bad taste - I’ve built enough websites to know that good design is hard and doesn’t come naturally to me. But the professionals seem to have a hard time with being dispassionate about their own ideas.

Re: Your website is not for you

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do people pay so much money for reports from dubious firms like Gartner? The game they are playing is almost like a coin toss. If you look at the Gartner reports that become publicly visible, they are often wrong. So why do reports from companies like Gartner still sell? Because they reduce the anxiety of the owner or decision-maker. Business is complex. Even a bad product can succeed because of advertising. Exag…

This, so much. I'm the IT Director of a medium sized (for our industry) company. Some years ago I worked with an amazing free-lance developer, and our then-director of marketing, to build a custom website that we were pretty proud of. A year ago our new marketing director paid mid-five figures to move to one of the site-builder services because 1.) the old CMS back-end to update content was "too technical", and the h…

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Re: Your website is not for you

#113
post #71

The only problem with this analysis is that in practice a lot of the designers don't understand the customer and don't understand the business. Don't understand the market, at least compared to the founders or people who've been in the space for a long time. So there's a bit of a false confidence where the designers think they know what's really right because they did "scientific approach". But in reality the founder…

"in practice"? Disrespectful, of course, but also not true. In practice, most designers know what they are doing as well as you know your job. If yours doesn't, you hired a quack. Here. Try this, in practice, most business owners don't know what they are doing. In practice, most programmers write shit. It's easy to bitch at artists because most people don't understand what they do. Don't be one of those people.

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Re: Your website is not for you

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post #104

The only problem with this analysis is that in practice a lot of the designers don't understand the customer and don't understand the business. Don't understand the market, at least compared to the founders or people who've been in the space for a long time. So there's a bit of a false confidence where the designers think they know what's really right because they did "scientific approach". But in reality the founder…

They also very often don’t understand what’s easy and what’s hard to implement, what’s a real priority vs a nice to have, and have extremely strong opinions against off-the-shelf components and prefer building everything from scratch. Also: The lesson of “don’t rewrite” from Joel Spolsky seems internalized in the minds of every developer, but "rewriting from scratch" is basically how designers operate by default. Mos…

except agentic engineering mostly invalidates this with regard to marketing websites. nothing is really all that hard to implement on mostly static site.

Re: Your website is not for you

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The only problem with this analysis is that in practice a lot of the designers don't understand the customer and don't understand the business. Don't understand the market, at least compared to the founders or people who've been in the space for a long time. So there's a bit of a false confidence where the designers think they know what's really right because they did "scientific approach". But in reality the founder…

And when the CEO says "Hey, we really need to make our contact information more visible because I get a lot of customer reports that they can't figure out how to contact us", sure. When the founders say they want the picture bigger and the logo a bit more purple and can we add underlines to all the menu items and also bold them, probably not. Which one is more common?

> When the founders say they want the picture bigger and the logo a bit more purple and can we add underlines to all the menu items and also bold them

Simple: they’re trying to give you the solution, and it’s your duty as the responsible designer/developer to find out what problem they see. Here’s a nice set of questions I’m using (from Managing projects, people, and yourself [1] by Nick Toverovskiy):

1. What did you mean by that?

2. Why is it important?

3. How is this related to the purpose of the project?

4. How does this relate to other parts of the system? What else could be affected by this change?

5. Why is it critical to resolve this before the next release / deadline?

This should paint a fairly decent picture of what’s really on your client’s (or manager’s) mind. Then you can propose a solution to the real problem – which might very well be the one that your client has proposed!

(Some questions might sound stupid in context. You can skip them, or just admit it: “I’m gonna ask some questions which might make me sound like an idiot, but that would really help me figure out the problem better. Would that be alright with you?”)

[1]: https://bureau.ru/books/fff-demo/20 (in Russian)

Re: Your website is not for you

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post #95

The only problem with this analysis is that in practice a lot of the designers don't understand the customer and don't understand the business. Don't understand the market, at least compared to the founders or people who've been in the space for a long time. So there's a bit of a false confidence where the designers think they know what's really right because they did "scientific approach". But in reality the founder…

I see it with new hires in our company. We are small SaaS app. Starry eyed business person thinks he can tell us whatever there is about making websites because our landing page is basically neglected. Business we are in B2B and this specific product is not getting customers this way. We get customers via CEO or business partners connections. All the “organic traffic” is waste of time for us because when they hear th…

I wander how many of those CEOs ask there technical teams to have a quick look and are told “avoid - it looks like it’s been abandoned “

Re: Your website is not for you

#117
post #30

The problem is that user research and competitive research are also not the truth. I prefer to ship something I know I like than what someone else thinks a third abstract person might like.

User research + your tasteful assumptions to fix pain points

is the closest thing to truth we have.

Re: Your website is not for you

#118

had this exact fight. founder wanted it more corporate, designer had the research, designer won. six months later pipeline was dead. buyers were enterprise procurement, the new look read as too small to trust with our budget. research was right. just not about these users.

Which role were you?

Re: Your website is not for you

#120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

perhaps, before the thread derails into a bunch of comments like the parent, we should consider that the article is not a comment on what your side-projects look like, those obviously should look however you please. rather the comment is directed at folks who want both great UX, and for their taste to reflected on the website, and quite frankly: some of you have absolutely no sense of what usability affordances requi…

Counterpoint: that's also wrong and those who give up the idea of their website being for "them" (a person or group) end up making websites that are bad. Jakob's law is often taken as support for the opposite position, but if Google looked like search engines circa 1998, no one would have switched.

have you considered, in the specific example of google being different from the rest, that all the other services were _wrong,_ or their goals were different than google's?
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