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Online age verification is the hill to die on

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Re: Online age verification is the hill to die on

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Post by mplanchard »

acheron wrote: post #63
bee_rider wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically every article on this site has a comment complaining that the article is AI. Who knows. Maybe “complaining about AI” is the new AI way of fitting in.

I just flag all the AI complaints. Perfect example of the guideline about “don’t complain about tangential issues” or whatever the wording is.

This feels different to me than complaining about the font or whatever. I don’t want to read or comment on anything not written by a human. I also agree with GP here that using AI instead of your own words has bearing on the content itself, insofar as it’s a signal that the author doesn’t care enough to write it themself.

As a corollary, I also want to know if a project posted here is predominantly vibe-coded, since that to me is a signal that it may be of lower quality, have fewer edge cases worked out, and is more likely to be abandoned in the near future.

Re: Online age verification is the hill to die on

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Post by everdrive »

retired wrote: post #34

Age verification on Australian social media has loopholes. Underage influencers use an agency to manage their social media for them. So anyone with enough followers or money can continue using social media under the age of 16. If you are going to implement age controls, you should implement a ban on underage influencers as well.

>Underage influencers

Anyone who has hone so far as to become an influencer is already a lost cause. No law could save them.

Re: Online age verification is the hill to die on

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Post by dpark »

goda90 wrote: post #41

Age verification can be achieved without destroying anonymity and privacy online using anonymous credential systems, but it has to be designed that way from the ground up, and no one pushing age verification is interested in preserving privacy.

No it really can’t. Age verification requires identification.

Even if you could anonymously verify age to issue a “confirmed adult” credential, the whole chain of trust breaks down if one bad actor shares their anonymous credential and suddenly everyone is verifiably an adult.

The solution to that attack is naturally to have some kind of system for sites to report obviously-shared credentials. Which means tracking.

Re: Online age verification is the hill to die on

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Post by akersten »

goda90 wrote: post #99
Aurornis wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comes up in every thread, but the purpose of the laws is not to verify that someone can access an anonymous token. If we had a true anonymous token system then everyone would just share tokens around. The real world analog would be if you could buy beer at the store with anyone's ID because they didn't make any effort to reasonably check that the ID was yours or discourage people from sharing or copying IDs. The…

Make it a duplication resistant hardware token that you can get for free then. The stakes just aren't high enough to worry about these kinds of edge cases.

The stakes just aren't high enough for us to implement any of this crap for the Internet in the first place. Let alone an entire government-administered hardware supply chain.

Re: Online age verification is the hill to die on

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Post by subscribed »

semiquaver wrote: post #18

Why is it always “think of the children” used to abrogate the rights of adults?

Because it's very easy for the creeps already thinking of your children to paint these rejecting this type of the laws as those who want to see children hurt.

Regardless how stupid this argument is, rags will always pounce on it.

This is just a dirty trick of the creeps to make the resistance harder.

Re: Online age verification is the hill to die on

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Post by dpark »

goda90 wrote: post #99
Aurornis wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comes up in every thread, but the purpose of the laws is not to verify that someone can access an anonymous token. If we had a true anonymous token system then everyone would just share tokens around. The real world analog would be if you could buy beer at the store with anyone's ID because they didn't make any effort to reasonably check that the ID was yours or discourage people from sharing or copying IDs. The…

Make it a duplication resistant hardware token that you can get for free then. The stakes just aren't high enough to worry about these kinds of edge cases.

Yeah, right. So the government is going to spend billions on “porn tokens”. That’s going to get through the legislature.

I’m sure there wouldn’t be a brisk illicit trade in these tokens either. Certainly no one would be incentivized to sell these tokens to teenagers for easy profit.

Re: Online age verification is the hill to die on

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Post by Barbing »

ethagnawl wrote: post #110
Barbing wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heroes @ EFF have our guide (USA residents): https://www.eff.org/pages/help-us-fight-back#main-content

Of course Chuck Schumer won't let me contact him using this helpful tool. Perhaps we NYers should organize a rally outside his office in Manhattan like we did for PIPA/SOPA?

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Re: Online age verification is the hill to die on

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Post by wesselbindt »

goda90 wrote: post #41

Age verification can be achieved without destroying anonymity and privacy online using anonymous credential systems, but it has to be designed that way from the ground up, and no one pushing age verification is interested in preserving privacy.

The destruction of privacy is the whole point.
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