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Soft launch of open-source code platform for government
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Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government
#112They're going to have to work on the i18n. It defaulted to English but the entire page except like 3 words are in some other language.
> They're going to have to work on the i18n.
You know, they could just use their own language. The link to forgejo even states: "code.overheid.nl (Dutch)"
Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
The government still plans to place the authentication system of all Dutch citizens in USA hands. And interestingly, code.overheid.nl runs from a residential ip address.
It's an ODIDO ip, but from the old versatel block. I'm assuming it's a business netblock, not the typical ftth/dsl range.
Traceroute goes through `.ftth.glasoperator.nl` routers though.
Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government
#114Interesting that they apparently deployed a development version of pre-release v16 of Forgejo, rather than the stable v15, wonder why that is? Don't get me wrong, I love bleeding-edge software as much as the next hacker, but seems wild for something like a central hub for publishing software.
The Dutch have a very different approach to risk than many other cultures. Eg I was watching a TV programme about lots of works at the central railway station in Amsterdam and barely anyone was wearing a hard hat. In the UK that would be unheard of, especially on a TV programme
And if something went wrong they would fully admit to them being wrong and fix it
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#116Is it common for government to use open source software? Here even just trying to hire someone to manage that would be hard so you almost have to outsource
gov.uk have been pretty big on open source https://github.com/alphagov
Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government
#117Proud dutchie here! I was wondering this morning whether they were going to migrate away from GH. Really glad that they did. I remember applying for a job (at some weird company) to be put up as an open-source contributor for the dutch government last year. The idea was that I was going to build on top of MuleSoft stuff. They ghosted me a day later, despite me having already done these things for the client they need…
One of the projects I work on, OWF, has great engagement with our open source efforts from Dutch companies and NGOs. https://openwallet.foundation/staff/
Awesome! Did not know this was a thing. Will check it out
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am living in Spain, and from my point of view, Netherlands is one of the ones doing the most for FOSS in Europe today! It sees much faster real-world adoption of FOSS in ministries and municipalities than other countries, the government seems eager to fund FOSS (again, compared to other countries) and generally be welcoming to the ecosystem. Browsing around, there seems to be lots of FOSS projects funded by money c…
This map shows that the Dutch municipalities are nearly all in the Microsoft cloud. https://mxmap.nl/
Cool map!
Another data point: I've visited public libraries around Friesland province. They all use catalog + internet facilities which look & feel the same across libraries: a browser (Mozilla) + office suite, PDF reader, files can be saved locally put don't persist between user sessions.
This would lend itself perfect for a Linux-based setup: netboot (from per-building local file server or NL-based cloud), read-only filesystem, LibreOffice etc.
But alas: the setup is Windows-based (running on Intel NUC or similar), office suite is Microsoft Excel/Word/PP. Completed by Acrobat PDF reader. No doubt it's at least able to leak telemetry and/or user data if Microsoft were to feel like it (or asked/forced to do by US gov).
Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I was wondering this morning whether they were going to migrate away from GH. In the context of other commentary today with various people migrating off of github... is there an event prompting this, or were you thinking of it more in the general vein of European governments trying to reduce dependency on American services?
You're on the money. They already were discussing moving away from america-dependent infra. We already had a Microsoft-involved power-move a few years ago that resulted in dutch government emails being blacklisted. I was just wondering why they would stay on GH. I expected them to use GitLab because its older and dutch, but I'm glad they opted for forgejo.
Correction: Gitlab is not Dutch. It has a Dutch co-founder, and was a B.V. for about one year before moving to the US and become an Inc. The original founder is from Ukraine.
Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government
#120They're going to have to work on the i18n. It defaulted to English but the entire page except like 3 words are in some other language.
> They're going to have to work on the i18n. You know, they could just use their own language. The link to forgejo even states: "code.overheid.nl (Dutch)"
Most government sites, especially open-source ones that want international contributors, do a decent job at internationalization. It doesn't seem like much of a reach to have that working.