Don't forget that the guy behing Denuvo is the same person behind SafeDisc, SecuROM and similar bullshit siblings from the past PC gaming world.
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Do we have a reasonable metric of pirate -> customer conversion rate of Denuvo?
Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected
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Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected
#112Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
It can , but that seems to be more related to poor implementations by the game devs, and not inherent to it. There are plenty of examples of games with Denuvo that still run fine (give or take your opinion on whether the presence of DRM is inherently "impacted performance").
If many of your users misuse your tool, that's a design problem not user error
Yeah, goddamn hammers needs to be way softer, do you know how many thumbs worldwide have been hurt by them? Clearly the fault of the hammer.
Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected
#114Fyi, most of them have not been cracked, but bypassed using a hypervisor that operates in ring-1, so it is certainly a security risk.. Personally I've been voting with my wallet and *never* supporting DRM, so there have been some games where I'm just "Well, I guess I'll never play that game." At least I have an ethical option to play certain games now, I'm just gonna use a seperate blank pc cus these bypasses are nov…
All software piracy is a security risk since they could embed malware in the game.
Running Windows is a massive risk cus its made by Microsoft and it has ring 0 access to your system. I personally trust a cracker in good standing far more that I would any corp.
Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
What games that are on GOG without DRM have DRM on, say, Steam? (Many Steam games have no DRM.)
It's impossible to know which Steam games are DRM-free since Steam games without DRM are not marked in the store. They have to all be assumed to have DRM.
Well, all Steam games have Steam DRM? The Steam store will tell you if there is additional DRM on top of Steam, at least it has in the past.
To the parents question, it is better to use GOG if you care about DRM.
Sometimes the Steam version is qualitatively better because the publisher/dev has supported the Steam version with more updates. Often the updates do turn up on GOG, but it's possible there is a delay.
Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected
#116During the time of the Soviet Union, it was an urban legend that during supply shortages, Soviet factories would have no real work, but workers needed to keep up the appearance of working, so they would have one line of workers continuously assembling devices, feeding into another line that would continuously disassemble them, all in a loop where nothing gets produced.
In many ways, it feels like we are seeing this today in the digital world. As a specific example, GTA 5 (singleplayer) is a game that has been pirated for about 10 years now, and has received zero content updates in that time, yet somewhat recently (maybe a few years ago?) they updated the game on Steam to have new DRM that constantly conflicts with the Steam Deck sleep mode and kicks you out of the game at random after waking up, or just won't even let you launch if you're without internet and haven't launched it within a few days. Nothing worthwhile was produced by this endeavor, that's for sure.
Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
What games that are on GOG without DRM have DRM on, say, Steam? (Many Steam games have no DRM.)
It's impossible to know which Steam games are DRM-free since Steam games without DRM are not marked in the store. They have to all be assumed to have DRM.
Steam flags kernel-level DRM in a game's store page. Denuvo is identifiable (and named!) this way.
Recent example: https://store.steampowered.com/app/3357650/PRAGMATA/
Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected
#118I would hope publishers would take note and remove it, having hundreds of megabytes of junk in the executable is just wasteful to put it mildly
Denuvo is there to prevent piracy within the first 90 days of release. Something like 60 to 80% of a game’s revenue is during that period. They don’t care that it’s eventually cracked, and they absolutely do not care about performance.
Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected
#119Do any of the legit scene groups sign their binaries? How do you know a release isn’t tainted?
Info from veeery long ago because I have been out of this stuff for over a decade:
The release will have an .sfv file with a CRC32 checksum for each rar file.
The FTP server checks them after the upload completes. Back in the day glftpd with zipscript was a very popular tool to manage an FTP site. This Readme sums it up well: https://github.com/pzs-ng/pzs-ng
The sfv can be tampered with but the propagation of releases to FTPs happens very fast, within minutes. It would take you longer to meaningfully alter it than it takes the racers to distribute the original files. And once the release is completely uploaded you can't modify the files anymore.
If the release is bad, for example if it doesn't work at all or if it contains a virus, then it simply gets nuked. This propagates within minutes.
Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's impossible to know which Steam games are DRM-free since Steam games without DRM are not marked in the store. They have to all be assumed to have DRM.
Well, all Steam games have Steam DRM? The Steam store will tell you if there is additional DRM on top of Steam, at least it has in the past. To the parents question, it is better to use GOG if you care about DRM. Sometimes the Steam version is qualitatively better because the publisher/dev has supported the Steam version with more updates. Often the updates do turn up on GOG, but it's possible there is a delay.
DRM is an optional Steamworks feature, the developer can opt out by simply not using it.