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Re: VibeVoice: Open-source frontier voice AI

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Post by Otek »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #105
maxloh wrote: post #14

I think we should stop calling this type of models open source. They are indeed "open weight." The training code is proprietary and never revealed. https://github.com/microsoft/VibeVoice/issues/102

Devils advocate here: I can give you a binary of my open source MIT code and never phone you the code. The code is still MIT licensed, and open source. You just have no access to it. That said, I entirely agree that MS is misrepresenting their openness here, which isn’t in the least surprising.

? Do you know what “source” means in open source? Like, what is the source of the binary? It’s the code. That’s the source in open source.

Re: VibeVoice: Open-source frontier voice AI

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Post by freedomben »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #105
maxloh wrote: post #14

I think we should stop calling this type of models open source. They are indeed "open weight." The training code is proprietary and never revealed. https://github.com/microsoft/VibeVoice/issues/102

Devils advocate here: I can give you a binary of my open source MIT code and never phone you the code. The code is still MIT licensed, and open source. You just have no access to it. That said, I entirely agree that MS is misrepresenting their openness here, which isn’t in the least surprising.

In their defense, most everyone else does the same thing. They still shouldn't do it, but at least they're not the trendsetter here (though they are contributing to the ongoing problem)

Re: VibeVoice: Open-source frontier voice AI

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Post by ziml77 »

s20n wrote: post #88
ziml77 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hadn't thought about how to pronounce GIS, but do you have a problem with the pronunciation of the Japanese Industrial Standards: JIS?

I've been pronouncing both of them as /dʒis/ like hiss and not /dʒɪz/. I however am not a native english speaker of English. I wonder if native speakers gravitate towards the z more?

I would end both with the S sound, but I'm operating under the assumption that the person I was replying to either pronounces their Ss as Zs or can't tell the difference between the S and Z sounds.

Because the other assumption I could have gone with is the less charitable take that they know GIS with a soft G doesn't sound like jizz, but they were just looking for a crude way to mock the soft G.

Re: VibeVoice: Open-source frontier voice AI

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Post by freedomben »

Otek wrote: post #111
WhyNotHugo wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Devils advocate here: I can give you a binary of my open source MIT code and never phone you the code. The code is still MIT licensed, and open source. You just have no access to it. That said, I entirely agree that MS is misrepresenting their openness here, which isn’t in the least surprising.

? Do you know what “source” means in open source? Like, what is the source of the binary? It’s the code. That’s the source in open source.

I don't disagree, but it is perfectly acceptable per the MIT license, which is an OSI approved license. MIT doesn't require source distribution with the binary (which is why from the developer perspective, it's a more "permissive" license)

Re: VibeVoice: Open-source frontier voice AI

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Post by ziml77 »

WorldMaker wrote: post #102
giancarlostoro wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same way I pronounce my first name btw ;) but I think of "gif" as "gift" and this is probably the subconscious association people make without realizing it.

Which is why I find it fun to bring up that in Old English "gift" hadn't yet picked up the "t" and was spelled "gif", but in Old English "g" was most commonly "HY". I like the Old English pronunciation of "gif" as "HYEEF", which is a "compromise" position that often makes some of both soft-g and hard-g "gif" pronunciation fans angry.

I have never heard this third option before but I love it!

Re: VibeVoice: Open-source frontier voice AI

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Post by fg137 »

Vinnl wrote: post #69
altmanaltman wrote: post #43

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[flagged]

"get offended" is just what the clickbait news cycle made of it. It was based on the post at [1], and this is all it said: > We need to get beyond the arguments of slop vs sophistication and develop a new equilibrium in terms of our “theory of the mind” that accounts for humans being equipped with these new cognitive amplifier tools as we relate to each other [1] https://snscratchpad.com/posts/looking-ahead-2026/

Are you sure you have the correct reference?

I think everyone else is relating to

https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/microsoft-bans-...

Re: VibeVoice: Open-source frontier voice AI

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Post by giancarlostoro »

WorldMaker wrote: post #102
giancarlostoro wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same way I pronounce my first name btw ;) but I think of "gif" as "gift" and this is probably the subconscious association people make without realizing it.

Which is why I find it fun to bring up that in Old English "gift" hadn't yet picked up the "t" and was spelled "gif", but in Old English "g" was most commonly "HY". I like the Old English pronunciation of "gif" as "HYEEF", which is a "compromise" position that often makes some of both soft-g and hard-g "gif" pronunciation fans angry.

I sometimes just pick the opposite of whatever everyone agreed to just for fun. I do the same when people cry about vim or emacs since I have used both. ;)

Some men just want to watch the world burn. At least it's mostly harmless fun anyway. It's even funnier when they bring up how my name is pronounced in defense of "jiff" and I tell them, so you're calling me the expert in "Gi" pronunciation then? :)

Re: VibeVoice: Open-source frontier voice AI

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Post by clickety_clack »

freedomben wrote: post #114
Otek wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

? Do you know what “source” means in open source? Like, what is the source of the binary? It’s the code. That’s the source in open source.

I don't disagree, but it is perfectly acceptable per the MIT license, which is an OSI approved license. MIT doesn't require source distribution with the binary (which is why from the developer perspective, it's a more "permissive" license)

The license describes what users are allowed to do with the source code, it doesn’t (and shouldn’t) define what a creator has to do to make the source code open.
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