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Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by reaperducer »

_verandaguy wrote: post #53
ryandrake wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Dropping support for things just because they are old" is typical commercial software behavior. I can run the latest Linux kernel and still have access to an internal floppy disk drive if I wanted to, yet billion dollar companies can't seem to manage to support 10 year old stuff. I still am sore from when I "upgraded" macOS and suddenly support for my 1080i TV was gone. Yesterday it worked fine, today it's gone. All…

The economics make the reasoning obvious, though. With closed source IP, every bit of support, from bug fixes, to feature requests, to compatibility fixes to integrate with newer mainline/foundational tooling, costs money. With open source projects (and in particular ones like Linux where there's a huge number of contributors and interested parties), support for would-be niche facilities can keep going as long as the…

The economics make the reasoning obvious, though

These arguments fall apart when you remember that Apple has several trillion dollars at hand. It's not some shoestring startup.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by enaaem »

ndisn wrote: post #64

On an unrelated note, I use Time Machine and I’m surprised at how unpolished, not to say downright buggy, all the animations are. They used to look magical, but now they are a mess of elements popping on and off and things moving and then vanishing the next frame and so on. It looks like they kept changing Finder and Time Machine didn’t keep up; they kept fixing the bare minimum to have it compile and nothing more.

Even the new app launcher. It takes 1-2 seconds to draw a bunch of icons. Scrolling is also choppy. This even happens on their newest machines. How this possible in 2026?

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by pnw_throwaway »

reaperducer wrote: post #106
ndisn wrote: post #64

On an unrelated note, I use Time Machine and I’m surprised at how unpolished, not to say downright buggy, all the animations are. They used to look magical, but now they are a mess of elements popping on and off and things moving and then vanishing the next frame and so on. It looks like they kept changing Finder and Time Machine didn’t keep up; they kept fixing the bare minimum to have it compile and nothing more.

On an unrelated note If you know it's unrelated, why try to derail this discussion? Why not start another? What's the point? Could it be that you only posted this in an active thread so it would get the most eyeballs, instead of being judged on its own merits?

It’s more tangential than unrelated. It’s how conversation naturally flows, and this is a discussion board. No need to fire up a new post.

On another tangential note: you’re insufferable. If you’re like this in the real world, I can’t imagine you’ve got many people wanting to hold a conversation for very long.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by laserlight »

TheJoeMan wrote: post #100
_verandaguy wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The economics make the reasoning obvious, though. With closed source IP, every bit of support, from bug fixes, to feature requests, to compatibility fixes to integrate with newer mainline/foundational tooling, costs money. With open source projects (and in particular ones like Linux where there's a huge number of contributors and interested parties), support for would-be niche facilities can keep going as long as the…

There's somewhere in the ballpark of 166,000 employees at Apple, just unfathomable scale [1]. It is not unreasonable to ask that someone specific is responsible for each particular small feature and ensuring it keeps working. Trying to apply an economic analysis to such a "free as in beer" operating system does not seem to work well. Consider the question of "how many small holes can you have in your wooden sailing s…

Not that it impacts your argument significantly, but for the sake of completeness, Apple employs a huge number of retail employees.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by mirashii »

reaperducer wrote: post #109
ifwinterco wrote: post #104

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Yes this one seems unambiguously a good idea

So I should have to e-waste my printer, scanner, and wireless card reader that only exist on my LAN, and that I connect to via a web interface just because… reasons?

If you read the article and the linked documentation, you'll see that those things aren't in the list of what this change applies to.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/126655

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by a1o »

wang_li wrote: post #66
ryandrake wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Dropping support for things just because they are old" is typical commercial software behavior. I can run the latest Linux kernel and still have access to an internal floppy disk drive if I wanted to, yet billion dollar companies can't seem to manage to support 10 year old stuff. I still am sore from when I "upgraded" macOS and suddenly support for my 1080i TV was gone. Yesterday it worked fine, today it's gone. All…

> "Dropping support for things just because they are old" is typical commercial software behavior. You are deluding yourself if you think open source folks are better. You can't compile and run a modern version of GCC on Solaris 10 on SPARC, for example. And we just had a story here last week about removal of bus mouse support. It's only a mild exaggeration to say that lots of folks will check the commit activity on…

CMake is a bad example, you can build latest CMake and run it on Debian Jessie. It will work perfectly. CMake is the thing you can build on really old compilers.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by nxobject »

ryandrake wrote: post #102
retired wrote: post #84

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macOS Tahoe still has floppy drive support.

Really? Like actual internal floppy drives, and not just USB floppy drives (which even Windows still supports)? I actually wouldn't expect macOS to support actual floppy drives since the OS's list of supported devices doesn't include any that shipped with floppy drives. The fact that I cannot install the latest macOS on any devices older than 2019 is a related, but separate problem.

In this case, what would internal floppy drive mean? The last Macs with floppy drives (I think Old World G3s?) used a custom Apple controller, integrated into the chipset, with a bespoke 20-pin cable.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by pmontra »

post-it wrote: post #71
bananamogul wrote: post #54

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People have been asking for iCloud macOS backups since iCloud was introduced. It would be very popular. I'm not sure why Apple doesn't offer this, because it's easy revenue.

Because people will fill their iClouds. An important value proposition of iCloud is that customers pay for more space than they need. Time Machine grows to fill all available space.

They could sell a separate service for Time Machine backups. I'm not an Apple customers so I don't know if it makes sense, but they could make customers pay X times the last N days in the backup plus Y times a number M of snapshots in the past.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by nijave »

jshier wrote: post #83
TimTheTinker wrote: post #24

Ubiquiti is really taking up the slack in some areas Apple has abandoned. I bought a UNAS-2 (and a couple of 12 TB IronWolf Pro drives) a few months ago when the "time capsule will not be supported in a future version of macOS" warning first appeared. It has been outstanding alongside the rest of my UniFi setup, and perfectly supports Time Machine backups. The UniFi Identity macOS app means my family's computers alwa…

What format is the destination drive? My ideal is APFS clone backups to a remote drive, but I don't know if there are any network setups that support that, even though you can do it to a local drive.

I was under the impression that's how SMB TimeMachine backups work currently

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by retired »

ryandrake wrote: post #102
retired wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

macOS Tahoe still has floppy drive support.

Really? Like actual internal floppy drives, and not just USB floppy drives (which even Windows still supports)? I actually wouldn't expect macOS to support actual floppy drives since the OS's list of supported devices doesn't include any that shipped with floppy drives. The fact that I cannot install the latest macOS on any devices older than 2019 is a related, but separate problem.

USB floppy drives indeed.
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