Live data from Hacker News

Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

techzine.eu

111–120 of 157 posts

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

#111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do people actually take claims like that from glorified salesmen seriously? If a car salesman told me I could save 50% of my fuel bill from driving their special car a certain way I'd laugh at them.

You are missing the timeline factor here. 2016 - lets use EC2, its just VM, we can move off 2018 - I see you are hosting your own PostgreSQL in EC2, you can use our managed solution 2020 - you are already using 18 our services (note, at this point you might still be using non-vendor products, like VMs, managed DB, and so on), why not use our IAM instead of rolling out your own auth. 2024 - you are now deeply locked,…

2025 - You start using Amazon S3 with pre-signed URLs and serve those directly to your customers. Great, now your customers are also locked into AWS.

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

#112
post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last war Germany started famously ended 80 years ago. The last war the US started is still ongoing and was started by them a few weeks ago.

You really compare 40s Germany with the US? Nah

I am comparing when the respective states last started wars to point out the absurdity of calling modern-day Germany warmongers.

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

#114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that's what they're saying. LIDL doesn't have a cloud. The Schwarz Group does.

Too bad, a LIDL branded cloud would be something really well marketable. Cloudside services (a'la Parkside)... or something along these lines.

Imagine spinning up a Silvercrest instance for a database. Using W5 to distribute messages across the cloud. Using Parkside for object storage.

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

#115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Preventing this from happening requires a clued-in CTO and equivalent senior level leadership who can defend against such 'attack' methods and knows the difference between, for instance, paying a monthly recurring cost to host a Linux/KVM virtual machine and paying for some totally 'cloud' SaAs. Further, it needs people in decision making roles who understand and value the strategic differences between having an infr…

> Preventing this from happening requires a clued-in CTO and equivalent senior level leadership Most CTOs (and increasingly M2s and M3s) I've met are what I call "box architects". You know the ones who love drawing boxes, moving one box inside another box, drawing a line between 2 boxes or changing a unidirectional arrow into a bidirectional one, then declaring the hard part is done and now we need any random enginee…

We call those people PowerPoint architects. They haven't coded or built anything for so long, if ever, that they wouldn't even how to, by this point. The only tool they know is PowerPoint and their slides have more boxes with words than any big box store

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

#118
post #37
post #5

Years ago I was making the case that instead of digging ourselves into the Amazon eco-system with S3 storage, EC2 instances, DynamoDB and various other Amazon specific cloud products... we should just host virtual machines and have everything in there using open source products. People looked at me like they saw water burning but that would have made the dependency on the US a lot easier to sever. Just move the VM's.

This is great, your suggestion to replace s3 and ddb is to run some VMs? I don’t blame people for being skeptical

This is great, your suggestion to replace our sovereignly hosted VMs is to run containers in the U.S.A.?

I don't blame people for being skeptical

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

#119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I prefer not using managed services but I kind of understand the appeal. Instead of paying several engineers, that you have to vet first, to configure and maintain the services adjacent to your product you can just pay AWS or Azure or someone else to maintain the service. Then you can concentrate your whole manpower on your product. In case the service goes down you can blame someone else and maybe even recover some…

> Instead of paying several engineers, that you have to vet first, to configure and maintain the services adjacent to your product you can just pay AWS or Azure or someone else to maintain the service. Your engineers who all have to possess AWS or similar certs before you hire them, work for free? A move off VPS to managed services doesn't reduce your headcount or labour costs.

> Your engineers who all have to possess AWS or similar certs

If you're using managed services that are so complex you need certified people then you're doing it wrong

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

#120
post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You really compare 40s Germany with the US? Nah

I am comparing when the respective states last started wars to point out the absurdity of calling modern-day Germany warmongers.

They are warmongers. Their tone currently is war. They are investing in war. They are becoming a war nation again.
Post reply on HN