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Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

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Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

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Post by infecto »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #40
eddieroger wrote: post #9

It is so easy to sit on and critique from the sidelines. Steve Jobs had a passion for product, and it showed - he pushed the teams to make things he approved of, and that was the measure. Tim Cook had a passion for growth, and as the article states, Apple's income now rival some GDPs. They're different people with different drives. In fact, Jobs told Cook not to do what he would do, but do the right thing, and to Coo…

> Apple's income now rival some GDPs But so has the rest of FAANG. Did Tim Cook really overperform? Growth compared to 2011: Apple ~8× Microsoft ~13–14× Google ~10× Facebook* ~10–15×

Why are you comparing Apple to software companies. Apples to oranges.

Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

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Post by rib3ye »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #40
eddieroger wrote: post #9

It is so easy to sit on and critique from the sidelines. Steve Jobs had a passion for product, and it showed - he pushed the teams to make things he approved of, and that was the measure. Tim Cook had a passion for growth, and as the article states, Apple's income now rival some GDPs. They're different people with different drives. In fact, Jobs told Cook not to do what he would do, but do the right thing, and to Coo…

> Apple's income now rival some GDPs But so has the rest of FAANG. Did Tim Cook really overperform? Growth compared to 2011: Apple ~8× Microsoft ~13–14× Google ~10× Facebook* ~10–15×

You’re comparing Apple to Facebook is especially gross.

Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

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Post by anonthrownaway »

sschueller wrote: post #63

Tim cook did his job well. He increase stock value over and over again for the delight of the shareholders. He also increased the moat as large as possible. If you want a better product you will not get it from a publicly traded company. Sure you may claim that a bad product is bad for a company in the long term and it is. However short term stock increases are far more desirable than long term stability and growth.

Exactly - they do not GAF because there is no worthy competitor. No one else has a (semi) functional ecosystem...

Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

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Post by ch4s3 »

AstroBen wrote: post #89
eddieroger wrote: post #9

It is so easy to sit on and critique from the sidelines. Steve Jobs had a passion for product, and it showed - he pushed the teams to make things he approved of, and that was the measure. Tim Cook had a passion for growth, and as the article states, Apple's income now rival some GDPs. They're different people with different drives. In fact, Jobs told Cook not to do what he would do, but do the right thing, and to Coo…

So much of Apple's growth is anti-consumer. You can't repair your device. They're intently focused on locking you in as much as possible, making it hard to leave, and not by making such a good product. They try their best to force app developers to pay them their 30% tax, even when the devs brought the customers in from elsewhere. They, for so long, refused to support RCS and downgraded the messaging experience with…

You can easily see a totally different perspective on all of these if you try a little.

> You can't repair your device.

Everything is increasingly integrated for dust/water proofing, components are integrated to reduce the power envelope and push performance. Repairability is the tradeoff.

> They're intently focused on locking you in as much as possible

All of their products and services are tightly integrated and have privileged access to hardware that would be insecure to open to 3rd parties.

> They try their best to force app developers to pay them their 30% tax, even when the devs brought the customers in from elsewhere.

If you want to list on their marketplace it's not unreasonable to expect to pay for access. We can haggle on the fairness of 30%

> They, for so long, refused to support RCS and downgraded the messaging experience with android.

As a consumer I just can't possibly be made to care about this.

> They were trying to intentionally downgrade SPAs so people again need to go through their app store.

SPAs perform poorly and eat battery life and have super heterogeneous user experiences, I don't want them on my phone.

As a consumer I like that they don't open the gates on the phone ecosystem to all of the absolute slop we see on android.

Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

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Post by CWuestefeld »

AstroBen wrote: post #89
eddieroger wrote: post #9

It is so easy to sit on and critique from the sidelines. Steve Jobs had a passion for product, and it showed - he pushed the teams to make things he approved of, and that was the measure. Tim Cook had a passion for growth, and as the article states, Apple's income now rival some GDPs. They're different people with different drives. In fact, Jobs told Cook not to do what he would do, but do the right thing, and to Coo…

So much of Apple's growth is anti-consumer. You can't repair your device. They're intently focused on locking you in as much as possible, making it hard to leave, and not by making such a good product. They try their best to force app developers to pay them their 30% tax, even when the devs brought the customers in from elsewhere. They, for so long, refused to support RCS and downgraded the messaging experience with…

Anything I missed?

Under Jobs, UX was king. Devices had to be intuitive, and features discoverable. Today, all that user-friendliness is gone. The devices are no longer approachable for a newbie: you have to just know how to use them.

Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

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Post by Schiendelman »

Brendinooo wrote: post #28

Honest question, from someone who doesn't own AirPods because I'm cheap: Is there a product in either of AirPods' categories that is generally recognized as either outright superior or a better value? Because both regular and Pro seem like amazing products, and reviews tend to classify them as such. And it's entirely a Cook-led project. Like, if I were to pick one product to prove that Cook cared about product and Ap…

The Max are honestly magic too. I got rid of Bose and Sony headphones because these are worth every penny. They work perfectly, they switch between devices really well, the noise canceling is great, and they don't hurt to wear for long periods of time.

Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

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Post by Noaidi »

eddieroger wrote: post #41
Noaidi wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and to Cook that was grow the company. If you do not see this as teh problem with Tim Cook then I have a gold bar to give you. https://www.macrumors.com/2025/08/07/tim-cook-gift-to-trump/ I want ethical companies that grow because of good products, not because of market capture and bribes.

I'm not going to argue your wants with you because they are your own. Don't buy Apple products if you don't like the way they operate as a company. I don't particularly care for appeasing the administration, either, but it's not like Cook broke the system, so I'm not going to dance on his retirement over it. Where can I get my gold bar, please?

I like Apple's products. I just purchased an iPhone 17 Pro. It does not mean I cannot still criticize them because of their monopolistic practices.

I was doing Apple support since 1995, I saw how they changed.

I mean, they certainly would never have given Trump a gold bar to forgive this case now, would they?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/21/tech/apple-sued-antitrust-doj...

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