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Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by ajb »

lxgr wrote: post #92
userbinator wrote: post #55

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As long as MITM proxies still work (which is something that Enterprise customers demand --- even the notoriously-closed Chrome needs to), it will always be possible to filter pages outside of any browser. I've been using one for over 2 decades and it works in any browser. However, I am also concerned that this is an "embrace extend extinguish" move.

What would prevent sites from just injecting ads into their content server-side? You'll always need both element and request blocking.

That's why GP wrote MITM, not just network blocking. MITM implies the middlebox is trusted by the browser in which it has installed a certificate, so can see and modify content.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by jeroenhd »

dlcarrier wrote: post #37
Steve6 wrote: post #9

I migrated from Firefox to Brave years ago, and it's been incredible. It's easy to turn off the crypto stuff and turn on more advanced privacy protection. Then it's just a fast browser with awesome adblocking. My favorite recent feature has been Brave Scriptlets, which are just little javascript functions you can run on specific sites. I've replaced most of the add ons I used with small scripts. Pretty nice. I would…

It's too bad that Mozilla does everything they can to alienate its users, with failed attempts to attract a different but non-existent new user-base. Without them, and with Safari being run by a company that likes to tie its software to its hardware, there's pretty much no reasonable non-Chrome-based web browsers, so it's the new Internet Explorer, and many web pages only work on it, because no one tests their web pa…

People online rant about Firefox all the time for adding stuff Google and Microsoft shoved into their Chromium forks a few years ago, but when they do it the response is always "well what did you expect from " while when Mozilla does it, the response is "this is an outrage, I'm switching to ".

I don't think there is or ever will be a "new internet explorer". If your page works in Chrome, there's a 99% chance it'll work in Firefox and Safari. Web standards have been unified to the point painting and layout algorithms are now part of the spec. It's why Ladybird managed to get a decently compatible engine in an extremely short time frame.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by jeroenhd »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #97
Steve6 wrote: post #9

I migrated from Firefox to Brave years ago, and it's been incredible. It's easy to turn off the crypto stuff and turn on more advanced privacy protection. Then it's just a fast browser with awesome adblocking. My favorite recent feature has been Brave Scriptlets, which are just little javascript functions you can run on specific sites. I've replaced most of the add ons I used with small scripts. Pretty nice. I would…

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Brave being led by an absolute asshole does indeed make it less palatable as a main browser to me. It's on the list, right after the crypto stuff and the full page ads on the new tab screen that are enabled by default.

It's still the best Chromelike that's easily available, but I'm not switching my default any time soon.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by jeroenhd »

poisonborz wrote: post #65

Why do people still have hope in / clinge on Firefox when projects like Librewolf and Waterfox exists? Yes those are still dependent on Mozilla's upstream changes, but users not trusting them have still options.

Same reason people want Chromium to stay around: their forks will collapse within months if the free work from upstream stops happening.

Brave, Vivaldi, Opera, Tor Browser, Librewolf, they're all little more than reconfigurations and reskins of Chromium when you look at the entire code base. Yes, the Brave as block engine and Operas power saving modes are non-trivial, but the engine they're built on is the size of an operating system.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by gawa »

collabs wrote: post #22
zephyreon wrote: post #12

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I’d like to see more investment in their new profile manager. It feels pretty barebones at the moment. Arc had the ability to link profiles to “spaces” and you could easily switch between them without opening a new window. It was very nice to so easily swap between personal, work, & side business.

The multi user containers are also very nice.

And to go one step further, for achieving a profile-per-firefox-window workflow, I suggest to have a look at the underrated extension Sticky Window Containers [0]

While far from being perfect, I find it good enough for keeping things separated, especially when using a desktop/workspace workflow. For example, in workspace/desktop 2 I have a Firefox window opened with the first tab set to "container A", so hitting ctrl-t there opens new tabs with the same container "A", so I'm logged-in for all projects A. In another Firefox window in workspace 3 I work with "business project B" tabs (where I'm logged into different atlassian, github, cloud, gmail, ...)

Then with a Window Manager like i3wm or Sway I set keybinds to jump directly to the window (and workspace), using the mark feature [1]

It's also possible to open websites directly in specific containers so it's flexible. For example on my desktop 8 I have all my AI webchats in "wherever my company pay for it" tabs: `firefox --new-window 'ext+container:name=loggedInPersonnal&url=https://chat.mistral.ai' 'ext+container:name=loggedInBusinessA&url=https://chatgpt.com' 'ext+container:name=loggedInBusinessB&url=https://gemini.google.com' 'ext+container:name=loggedInBusinessB&url=https://claude.ai'`

It's also the only way I found to keep opened multiple chat apps (Teams, Slack, Discord, ...). The alternative electron apps are as resource-hungry, and in my experience never handled multiple accounts well (especially Teams).

[O] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sticky-window...

[1] https://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html#vim_like_marks

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by eknkc »

jeroenhd wrote: post #113
jasonvorhe wrote: post #97

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Brave being led by an absolute asshole does indeed make it less palatable as a main browser to me. It's on the list, right after the crypto stuff and the full page ads on the new tab screen that are enabled by default. It's still the best Chromelike that's easily available, but I'm not switching my default any time soon.

I mean he also invented the fucking JavaScript.

At that rate one needs to abolish all modern technology and go tribal. Cause I’m certain my toothbrush runs JavaScript.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by saagarjha »

nottorp wrote: post #78
nuker wrote: post #60

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> Why do people say crap like this... 1. Third-party cookie blocking by default — 2003 (Safari 1.0); industry first. 2. Intelligent Tracking Prevention (ITP), using on-device machine learning to identify and limit cross-site trackers — 2017; industry first. 3. Storage Access API prompts for embedded third-party content (e.g., social login widgets) — 2018 (ITP 2.0); industry first (co-developed by WebKit, later adopte…

That's what the marketing department says. Ad/tracking blocking is one of the things that can only be trusted if it's open source, i.e. uBlock Origin. By the way, does this Adblock Engine actually block trackers? Or it just stops the ads from displaying?

ITP is mostly part of WebKit and open source.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by Ygg2 »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #82
ximm wrote: post #49

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Firefox supports webRequestBlocking with MV3, so even if they fully remove support for MV2, ad blocking is still available.

Mozilla refused to approve MV3 version of uBlock Origin

Why? Any links to this decision?

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by Timon3 »

silisili wrote: post #71
gtrevorjay wrote: post #7

This feels like a betrayal of their ousting of Eich in the first place. I can't imagine a world I would do this and be able to look at myself in the mirror.

Same. The entire company more or less turned on him. Not picking a side, that's your right. But to then start 'borrowing' from someone you refused to work with feels... hypocritical.

Brendan Eich didn't personally write the code, and he doesn't benefit from Firefox using it. If anything this hurts him, since Firefox is catching up to an advantage of Brave without investing their own development resources.

No matter from what angle I look at this situation, your complaint makes no sense.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by feverzsj »

pogue wrote: post #16
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #6

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The day Firefox drops MV2 is the day I find a new browser. We're already at <1% usershare, it's not like there's safety in numbers here

I'd be genuinely curious what you could switch to that still has MV2 because, AFAIK, Firefox is the last holdout. Brave still allows you to install uBlock & some other extensions that should technically not be supported under MV3, but they still ship it with support for those. Just heard about Helium browser, which is just dechromium + uBlock and it's still beta.

Helium still supports MV2, because the upstream hasn't removed related code. They basically turn on/off some macros to enable MV2 again. And this won't last long for sure.
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