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Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by an0malous »

varjag wrote: post #107
herf wrote: post #103

Doing this without the parents on board does not work. Kids can lie about their birthdate by a few years. Facial age estimation has error bars of like 5 years and many teens don't have any ID. Younger kids use a parent's phone. Many are not supervised by parents or have parents who are complicit/encouraging in getting them more access. Oh you could be famous! But it is clear that more persistent identifiers online wi…

You gotta start somewhere.

If you can iterate quickly, sure, but that’s something governments famously don’t do well. It’ll take five years to assess the results and another five years to change them.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

nacozarina wrote: post #95

Normalized credential-harvesting will make it possible for govt to enforce digital exile. The govt will be able to deny computer access for anyone it doesn’t like, for as long as they don’t like them. There will then be many ‘underground’ internets, which will all be banned, where the underclass lives. It is also where real innovation will live. It’s a brand new day and our dystopia has new frontiers available for th…

> There will then be many ‘underground’ internets

Only with very old technology, its possible force ID validation from silicon to server or even to unlock the cpu cores so if it ever comes to what you suggest that will also happen.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by b00ty4breakfast »

10xDev wrote: post #94

Good, social media is cancer on society and will only get worse with LLMs, Deepfakes etc. All the astroturfing in favour of social media couldn't possibly change my mind on how harmful social media has been on society.

if it's bad for society then regulate the Social Media companies rather than shifting the burden on the citizenry through ID laws and backdooring increased surveillance under the guise of "muh chillren!"

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by varjag »

an0malous wrote: post #111
varjag wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You gotta start somewhere.

If you can iterate quickly, sure, but that’s something governments famously don’t do well. It’ll take five years to assess the results and another five years to change them.

It is certainly better than the status quo. Don't underestimate the effect of simply making something illegal.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by cooper_ganglia »

fsflover wrote: post #108
10xDev wrote: post #94

Good, social media is cancer on society and will only get worse with LLMs, Deepfakes etc. All the astroturfing in favour of social media couldn't possibly change my mind on how harmful social media has been on society.

Does HN count, or is the actual problem the algorithmic feeds?

I would categorize HN as a news aggregator with a comment section, not social media.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by greenleafone7 »

Yes, the Epstein group is worried about.... ummm children. What they are worried about is wrong-speech and they are desperate to stop people from talking about the swarming waves of immigration and our declining way of life.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=623122650149799

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by Forgeties79 »

fsflover wrote: post #108
10xDev wrote: post #94

Good, social media is cancer on society and will only get worse with LLMs, Deepfakes etc. All the astroturfing in favour of social media couldn't possibly change my mind on how harmful social media has been on society.

Does HN count, or is the actual problem the algorithmic feeds?

I would consider HN a barebones forum more than social media. It's a bit "I know it when I see it" but the clear differences are things like no media uploading, no mysterious algorithmic feeds (like you allude to) designed with the explicit goal of keeping you on, no "discoverability" like we see on these sites, etc. It's text posts, [edit: essentially] one page, and a simple up/down system with some weighting. You can't even really build an independent community within HN. We're all more or less seeing the same thing at the same time. Everyone's facebook or instagram or whatever is wildly different. It's siloing.

Also, there's no ad servicing going on/major profit element for ycombinator here. Doesn't mean there isn't self-promotion/astro-turfing, and it clearly benefits ycombinator's reputation to have this, but it isn't an ad platform with social aspects like social media.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by contagiousflow »

john_strinlai wrote: post #109
contagiousflow wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really see how that is relevant? Isn't that law making a parent responsible for actions their child commits that hurt others? Child protection laws like preventing child labour, not selling alcohol/cigarettes, etc aren't this.

how is it not relevant? its an example of holding the parent responsible when the child breaks a law. if accessing social media below 16 becomes illegal, this is a literal perfect example of holding parents accountable for their kids illegal activity. you can't possibly get more relevant. there is no reason to shift parental responsibility onto tech companies. we have existing laws that can be used as templates for s…

Correct me if the US is different, but in the country I live in the onus is on the bar or liquor store if they sell alcohol to a child, not on the parent. Why would it be different for a social media ban?

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by wwwald »

herf wrote: post #103

Doing this without the parents on board does not work. Kids can lie about their birthdate by a few years. Facial age estimation has error bars of like 5 years and many teens don't have any ID. Younger kids use a parent's phone. Many are not supervised by parents or have parents who are complicit/encouraging in getting them more access. Oh you could be famous! But it is clear that more persistent identifiers online wi…

Can't read the article, paywalled. But what makes you think the parents would not be on board?

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by barbazoo »

b00ty4breakfast wrote: post #113
10xDev wrote: post #94

Good, social media is cancer on society and will only get worse with LLMs, Deepfakes etc. All the astroturfing in favour of social media couldn't possibly change my mind on how harmful social media has been on society.

if it's bad for society then regulate the Social Media companies rather than shifting the burden on the citizenry through ID laws and backdooring increased surveillance under the guise of "muh chillren!"

Genuine question, how is it different than tobacco, driving, alcohol, all the things we gate by age for what seem to be valid reasons?
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