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Flickr: The first and last great photo platform

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Re: Flickr: The first and last great photo platform

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Is this true? Yes, it is. I'm a previous career, I was a professional photographer. I spent a lot of time chasing after companies that operated with the "if it's in the internet, it must be free" mindset. The right letters, sent the right way, to the right people almost always gets things fixed. In one example, a very major bank used one of my photos as the cover of a corporate report. That mistake paid my rent for a…

Most major corporations are not stupid enough to do that though, and if they do, their lawyers will tell them to just settle and the responsible person (or a scapegoat) will quietly move on. Far more likely it's some random blogger or low-rent publication grabbing stuff off the Internet.

They still pay.

Like I said, the right message sent to the right person in the right way works 90% of the time.

This comes from actual experience, not just some rando second-guesser on the internet who thinks his suppositions are truth.

Re: Flickr: The first and last great photo platform

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This is where I usually insert that 3,000 year old Gandalf meme. I was there pretty early. I remember being super happy on a day I got an email from Flickr that my Pro account upload quota was upgraded to 2GB monthly. Made many friends via my photos, online and in-real-life. Many of my photos became pretty popular and picked (stolen a lot too) up by major newspapers/publications in India, USA, and even in Vietnam. So…

No comment on your photos, but I think this abomination of a cookie selection banner is all on needs to see to decide on the current state of Flickr. It's literally several pages long!

Re: Flickr: The first and last great photo platform

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This is where I usually insert that 3,000 year old Gandalf meme. I was there pretty early. I remember being super happy on a day I got an email from Flickr that my Pro account upload quota was upgraded to 2GB monthly. Made many friends via my photos, online and in-real-life. Many of my photos became pretty popular and picked (stolen a lot too) up by major newspapers/publications in India, USA, and even in Vietnam. So…

No comment on your photos, but I think this abomination of a cookie selection banner is all on needs to see to decide on the current state of Flickr. It's literally several pages long!

This article got me curious as I used Flickr years ago. Sadly couldn’t even move past the cookie banner at all. Too bad

Re: Flickr: The first and last great photo platform

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I agree. Back in the day hackers were for the free enablement and usage of all data, code and media included. Now it seems everyone has turned into copyright hawks which ironically only entrench big players via regulatory capture so say goodbye to actual open source AI models, they're too poor to license content while big tech companies can.

The mantra, at least in German hacker scene, is: "use public data, protect private data" Published data is somewhere in the middle. But open source movement was always around copyright. FSF uses Copyright in Form of "copyleft" GPL for their agenda as does more business focussed open source movement. They are all purposely not using "public domain" Yes, there is also the pirating scene, "opening" up works and pushing…

Open source was always around copyright because it was in spite of copyright not because of it, to fight against the notion of copyright using copyright itself as a tool, with copyleft as you mentioned. That is to say, the goals or values of the open source movements would be much better achieved if there weren't copyright in the first place, especially now that it's twisted to serve only big corporations and how books from over 50 years ago still aren't in the public domain due to Mickey Mouse laws for example. I am one of those few who do advocate for its abolishment.

Re: Flickr: The first and last great photo platform

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Instagram didn’t kill Flickr by being better for photographers, but by being better at distribution.

I'm not sure if this is what you mean by "distribution", but I think Instagram won by being content-consumption-centric. People who used Flickr were mostly other photographers. People on Instagram are mostly your customers: people planning their own weddings, moms with newborn children, etc. It's basically a marketing platform, so it's a no-brainer for current or aspiring pros.

It sucks for passionate hobbyists, but photography is first and foremost an industry.

Re: Flickr: The first and last great photo platform

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I'm too big of a nerd to let the RSS feeds, open APIs, etc go. :) Alas, Flickr wouldn't even be alive if we hadn't increased the price ($$) and value (features) of Pro relative to things like intrusive ads on free accounts, etc. The very reason it's alive is because we have intrusive ads on free accounts, but no ads on Pro accounts, including for viewers. I don't expect that to change anytime soon. We have some great…

I actually think we agree that the value proposition is currently there for pro, per what I laid out in the piece (though of course I look forward to things that will further increase its value). My comment was supposed to make clear that adding more ads to Pro could undermine that value—but it sounds like that's not the plan, which is great.

We’re allergic to ads. If I knew how to make Flickr work at its scale without ads even on free accounts, I’d do it.

Since I can’t figure it out (yet?), free accounts have ads and Pro don’t. As long as I’m running the show, that will remain true.

Re: Flickr: The first and last great photo platform

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post #103

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I'm too big of a nerd to let the RSS feeds, open APIs, etc go. :) Alas, Flickr wouldn't even be alive if we hadn't increased the price ($$) and value (features) of Pro relative to things like intrusive ads on free accounts, etc. The very reason it's alive is because we have intrusive ads on free accounts, but no ads on Pro accounts, including for viewers. I don't expect that to change anytime soon. We have some great…

Is HEIC/HEIF support somewhere on the roadmap? I know people have been asking for years and you don‘t want to be a backup site, but display photos. But this whole conversion thing makes me uncomfortable anyway.

I want this, too. SmugMug (our other platform) supports them. So we already have the tech done (for a long time). I hope we add support on Flickr.

Re: Flickr: The first and last great photo platform

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post #109

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The mantra, at least in German hacker scene, is: "use public data, protect private data" Published data is somewhere in the middle. But open source movement was always around copyright. FSF uses Copyright in Form of "copyleft" GPL for their agenda as does more business focussed open source movement. They are all purposely not using "public domain" Yes, there is also the pirating scene, "opening" up works and pushing…

There are also potential legal issues with public domain, especially in Europe where some rights can't always be disclaimed. There are OSI open source public domain licenses like the MIT-0 license.

Correct, but still many projects use OS(I) licenses, which are beyond MIT-0. Thus some form of copyright is deemed relevant.

Re: Flickr: The first and last great photo platform

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Great? I remember that time I reported someone for reposting my images. Flickr's response was deleting my profile, all of my photos, and not responding to any of my attempts to contact them. On the upside, it was a good lesson to not trust service providers.

Was this before or after Yahoo! purchased! them?!

After Yahoo
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