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California has more money than projected after admin miscalculated state budget

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Re: California has more money than projected after admin miscalculated state budget

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> in boom years the state can't accumulate any general funds for recessions Genuine question: have states had the discipline not to raid these coffers in the boom years? The alternative is borrowing in downturns. That works because during recessions interest rates are low. The opposite problem then manifests, however, which is the state continuing to borrow through the recovery. Maybe instead of citing shortfalls and…

> have states had the discipline not to raid these coffers in the boom years? "Let's give the money back to voters because they will like that and we'll figure out something else in tough years" is, like, the quintessential example of "raiding these coffers." It's basically like big tech companies turning profit into stock dividends because investors love it and the CEO will be handsomely rewarded, and who cares abou…

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Re: California has more money than projected after admin miscalculated state budget

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Oregon has a biennial budget, so some Oregon employee predicts how much money Oregon will earn over the next 2 to 3 years (which is basically impossible to do), and then Oregon leaders have to come up with a spending plan equal to or less than that revenue estimate. However, Oregon's costs have no relation to the revenue that the state predicted it would get, so it is constrains the solution space when unforeseen cos…

I appreciate you adding your experience here – I'm curious, just with the amount of knowledge you have of Oregon's fiscal oddities (e.g. biennial budgeting): are you an Oregonian yourself? I feel that I'm part of a sector of Oregonians that, because of our mini-recession and constant cuts, is suddenly having to learn about a lot of fiscal oddities that are finally catuching up with us. (e.g. how centralized education…

No, I am a Washingtonian, though. And I have a masochistic interest in government budgets and funding mechanisms.

Re: California has more money than projected after admin miscalculated state budget

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I appreciate you adding your experience here – I'm curious, just with the amount of knowledge you have of Oregon's fiscal oddities (e.g. biennial budgeting): are you an Oregonian yourself? I feel that I'm part of a sector of Oregonians that, because of our mini-recession and constant cuts, is suddenly having to learn about a lot of fiscal oddities that are finally catuching up with us. (e.g. how centralized education…

No, I am a Washingtonian, though. And I have a masochistic interest in government budgets and funding mechanisms.

Ha! At this point it's timely. What are your thoughts on the income tax? (I'm on the boarder of Washington, so I'm amused ot observe the arbitrage between Oregon's sales taxes, and Washington's income taxes.)

Re: California has more money than projected after admin miscalculated state budget

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No, I am a Washingtonian, though. And I have a masochistic interest in government budgets and funding mechanisms.

Ha! At this point it's timely. What are your thoughts on the income tax? (I'm on the boarder of Washington, so I'm amused ot observe the arbitrage between Oregon's sales taxes, and Washington's income taxes.)

Earned income tax seems counterproductive to attracting young, productive people, which Oregon seems to need, badly.

California and New York are counterexamples, but California and New York have unique features that offset the downsides of paying earned income tax.

I just like not having to file a personal state tax return, the federal one is enough work as is.

Re: California has more money than projected after admin miscalculated state budget

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I’m going to sidestep your pedantry and focus on why we’re actually having this conversation: it is obvious from data and observations at scale that children struggle to learn meaningfully in the presence of technology, i.e. screens, in the same way that children learned with educators of the quality that taught previous generations (higher salaries). Techno-Utopianism is such a grating ideology, especially when thro…

If basic logic is pedantry in your book, I think we're done here. Looks like you're new here, but perhaps won't last long if you're allergic to logic.

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Re: California has more money than projected after admin miscalculated state budget

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Fun fact: I recently vacationed in Hawaii and couldn’t help but notice, despite groceries costing about 2x, gas there is a dollar cheaper than at home in California. California just can’t get enough tax money.

Not really a fact, more of a bad anecdote. Currently HI gas is just $0.17 cheaper than CA, and I see many CA gas stations at $5.09, just like HI. A decent chunk of that comes from strict CA low pollution refining, you know, to help you breath better... https://gasprices.aaa.com/state-gas-price-averages/

5.09 - lol, ok maybe in the rural parts of the state or something. In L.A. it's $5.50 at the very cheapest stations (read: go out of your way and maybe waste 10 minutes waiting, then wait in line to pay cash) and even Bakersfield is about $5.25 minimum. $5.60-5.75 is what I see on most normal stations.

The refining regulations are so great that they have succeeded in forcing nearly every refinery here to close now, so I guess gas prices can just go asymptotic, since California only allows this special unicorn gas, and I doubt any of these oil companies are going to open a new refinery in Arizona to make this special formulation, when they're closing the refineries here that used to make it. Maybe Sacramento can buy the closed refineries and restart them at great taxpayer expense and create our version of state-owned oil companies, except instead of printing money they'll be printing debt.

Re: California has more money than projected after admin miscalculated state budget

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Not really a fact, more of a bad anecdote. Currently HI gas is just $0.17 cheaper than CA, and I see many CA gas stations at $5.09, just like HI. A decent chunk of that comes from strict CA low pollution refining, you know, to help you breath better... https://gasprices.aaa.com/state-gas-price-averages/

5.09 - lol, ok maybe in the rural parts of the state or something. In L.A. it's $5.50 at the very cheapest stations (read: go out of your way and maybe waste 10 minutes waiting, then wait in line to pay cash) and even Bakersfield is about $5.25 minimum. $5.60-5.75 is what I see on most normal stations. The refining regulations are so great that they have succeeded in forcing nearly every refinery here to close now, s…

Nope, wrong again. In the middle of urban Bay Area. Again, with all those refining regulations, the data still says $0.17 off Hawaii.

Re: California has more money than projected after admin miscalculated state budget

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post #116

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5.09 - lol, ok maybe in the rural parts of the state or something. In L.A. it's $5.50 at the very cheapest stations (read: go out of your way and maybe waste 10 minutes waiting, then wait in line to pay cash) and even Bakersfield is about $5.25 minimum. $5.60-5.75 is what I see on most normal stations. The refining regulations are so great that they have succeeded in forcing nearly every refinery here to close now, s…

Nope, wrong again. In the middle of urban Bay Area. Again, with all those refining regulations, the data still says $0.17 off Hawaii.

I don't know where you're getting your "data" from or if there's some bias making you not want to believe we're getting ripped off, but I can definitely provide very real data:

https://www.gasbuddy.com/gasprices/hawaii/kahului

  Safeway 4.89  /  Costco 4.75
https://www.gasbuddy.com/gasprices/california/san-mateo/2159

https://www.gasbuddy.com/gasprices/california/daly-city

  7-Eleven 5.79  /  Costco 5.39  /  Chevron: 6.15
https://www.gasbuddy.com/gasprices/california/mission-viejo

  5.49 - 6.29 in Mission Viejo.
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