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Work with the garage door up (2024)

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Re: Work with the garage door up (2024)

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Post by majormajor »

dvt wrote: post #69
cyberge99 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Xtwitter is NOT the best place to be. For anything unless you’re a horny cryptobro.

Curious as to why people think this (other than partisan trend-following). I've been on Twitter since 2009, and it's arguably in the best spot it's ever been, apart from Grok being pushed so aggressively. A lot of people still build publicly on Twitter. If you're conservative you can follow conservatives, if you're liberal you can follow liberals. I find Elon annoying, so I just muted his account because it seems lik…

>arguably in the best spot it's ever been, apart from Grok being pushed so aggressively

So the best ever except for one of the biggest crap parts that didn't exist at all just a few years ago?

Though actually I think it's just more people figuring out how the interests of social media companies aren't the same as their own interests, and Musk's very-visible fiddling with things drove home the "people are trying to to addict you and influence you" point MUCH more quickly than anything ever did in the past to a wide chunk of the population. Not new in essence, but now highlighted with a giant neon sign pointing at it.

Re: Work with the garage door up (2024)

#112

Post by dvt »

Shog9 wrote: post #107
dvt wrote: post #97

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> What's left is people who are logged in, _engaging_. And man, that was always the worst part of Twitter, the constant posturing and troll-baiting for clicks, pushing every viewpoint toward its extreme. I do agree that engagement farming is—and has been—a problem, but as someone that worked in social media (mostly on the data side, fwiw), it's been a problem for like a decade+ now, long predating "modern" Twitter. A…

I'm well aware; I previously worked "adjacent" to this sphere, and a non-trivial part of my work life was spent trying to forestall precisely this outcome. The difference between Twitter now and Twitter a decade ago isn't in the quantity of vapid interactions; it's the proportion of that to anything else. The slide started a long, long time ago and at some point effectively no one was trying to stop it anymore. I'm s…

> it's the proportion of that to anything else

And my point was that, from what I can tell, that proportion of trash::value has been increasing on all social media in (more or less) lockstep. If anything, I'd say Facebook has seen the most precipitous drop in quality, not Twitter. So much so that I don't even log in anymore, and I was veritably addicted during college.

Re: Work with the garage door up (2024)

#113

Post by filoleg »

mattkevan wrote: post #98
nozzlegear wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I like reddit, but feel the moderation model is too skewed towards censorship I saw that the r/dotnet subreddit banned posting personal projects or "Show r/dotnet"-type posts except for one day per week, and only in the moderator's New Zealand timezone to boot. The reasoning was, apparently, because too many people were submitting projects that might be personal promotion (the horror), and that accelerated with age…

I’m building a new product design app that is made from the start for design systems and agentic collaboration. Tried posting about it a few times in the UX design sub as I thought it might be interesting to fellow designers, but they all got deleted by the mods for unspecified reasons even though I was careful to follow the rules. Gave up in the end.

Saw the same thing happen recently to a project made by friend of mine (and no, it was genuinely a cool project, and it isn't me trying to tell a personal story under a guise of it being done by a friend; I would love to take any amount of credit for it, but I had zero involvement whatsoever).

The project was basically a wordle-like game, but for chess puzzles. It was focused less on being an actual chess puzzle game (i.e., tricky chess game positions that lead to a decisive turnaround) and more on actually training to improve your blunder game (i.e., each puzzle was more of a "pick a move that isn't a blunder given a scenario from a real lichess game").

He made a post on r/chess, it gathered a small number upvotes, there were a few comments left along the lines of "omg this is so awesome, this is helping my anti-blunder skills a lot, had no idea I wanted this until I saw it." And no, I didn't leave a comment, but I upvoted the post. It didn't feel right to brigade a post with my positive comments on it as a friend, especially given how anal reddit mods can get about this in some cases.

Next thing I see, mods just removed his post with a "no promotion allowed" reasoning. The website had no ads, no paid components, not even a name/profile of my friend attached to it (so no self-promotion angle either; he is gainfully employed and isn't looking for a job). He did it purely for the love of the game, some subreddit users clearly found it helpful, and yet the mods just deleted it.

Re: Work with the garage door up (2024)

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Post by fnord77 »

booleandilemma wrote: post #52
simonw wrote: post #51

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That's not an AI company "slurping up data", that's someone using AI tools to accelerate their own personal clone of a project.

I think you're missing the point. The game (no pun intended?) has changed. Working with the garage door up has become a liability.

no we got something better out of it

Re: Work with the garage door up (2024)

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Post by simianparrot »

dvt wrote: post #112
Shog9 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm well aware; I previously worked "adjacent" to this sphere, and a non-trivial part of my work life was spent trying to forestall precisely this outcome. The difference between Twitter now and Twitter a decade ago isn't in the quantity of vapid interactions; it's the proportion of that to anything else. The slide started a long, long time ago and at some point effectively no one was trying to stop it anymore. I'm s…

> it's the proportion of that to anything else And my point was that, from what I can tell, that proportion of trash::value has been increasing on all social media in (more or less) lockstep. If anything, I'd say Facebook has seen the most precipitous drop in quality, not Twitter. So much so that I don't even log in anymore, and I was veritably addicted during college.

It's increased in lockstep here on HN as well. It used to be that I came here for the comments, but more and more the comments are going the way of everywhere else: Inflammatory, polarising, and more and more botted (both automated and human bots) -- no proof, but I've been around the internet since the early 90's, I see the patterns.

I even get sucked into contributing at times, which is why that descent into trash _works_ so well. I hate it, and I visit HN less and less as a result.

Re: Work with the garage door up (2024)

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Post by billfor »

dvt wrote: post #69
cyberge99 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Xtwitter is NOT the best place to be. For anything unless you’re a horny cryptobro.

Curious as to why people think this (other than partisan trend-following). I've been on Twitter since 2009, and it's arguably in the best spot it's ever been, apart from Grok being pushed so aggressively. A lot of people still build publicly on Twitter. If you're conservative you can follow conservatives, if you're liberal you can follow liberals. I find Elon annoying, so I just muted his account because it seems lik…

That's because most liberals don't like to be questioned or defend their positions, in general. On X they are forced to confront or actively block people. Note that the your comment is downvoted for essentially saying "twitter is still good" with no malice, and parent is still totally fine after saying (speciously) "twitter is for horny cryptobros". They have no actual response other than to downvote or leave for an echo chamber. This has been hashed out here many time before. Truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged.

Re: Work with the garage door up (2024)

#118

Post by dredmorbius »

dimes wrote: post #43
simonw wrote: post #29

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Fear of AI companies "slurping up data" being used as a rationale for not sharing anything is one of the most underrated harms of the whole current AI mess.

It’s not a fear. It’s reality. It’s literally happening on HN right now. Take this game, for example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47698455 Within an hour, someone had cloned the game with addition mechanics that multiple people mentioned they like more: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47729573

I read simonw's comment not as dismissing the reality, but rather highlighting the harm of discouraging sharing.

The slurping can be both real and the induced reluctance to share a harm.

Re: Work with the garage door up (2024)

#119

Post by AlexeyBelov »

mattkevan wrote: post #98
nozzlegear wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I like reddit, but feel the moderation model is too skewed towards censorship I saw that the r/dotnet subreddit banned posting personal projects or "Show r/dotnet"-type posts except for one day per week, and only in the moderator's New Zealand timezone to boot. The reasoning was, apparently, because too many people were submitting projects that might be personal promotion (the horror), and that accelerated with age…

I’m building a new product design app that is made from the start for design systems and agentic collaboration. Tried posting about it a few times in the UX design sub as I thought it might be interesting to fellow designers, but they all got deleted by the mods for unspecified reasons even though I was careful to follow the rules. Gave up in the end.

Do you participate in this community otherwise? People are generally warmer to self-promotion if it comes from someone who posts in the community in a normal way.

Re: Work with the garage door up (2024)

#120

Post by AlexeyBelov »

nozzlegear wrote: post #93
kristianp wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like reddit, but feel the moderation model is too skewed towards censorship. I created an informational post recently on a niche subreddit and it seemed well received, but then was deleted by a mod with no explanation.

> I like reddit, but feel the moderation model is too skewed towards censorship I saw that the r/dotnet subreddit banned posting personal projects or "Show r/dotnet"-type posts except for one day per week, and only in the moderator's New Zealand timezone to boot. The reasoning was, apparently, because too many people were submitting projects that might be personal promotion (the horror), and that accelerated with age…

Subreddits for other programming languages see the same issue, too much slop.
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