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Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

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Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

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Post by lokar »

LazyMans wrote: post #96
techteach00 wrote: post #92

Hopefully vaping will still be legal? They do distinguish the difference between inhaling burnt matter vs inhaling a heated aerosol, yes? Of course not. The only thing government and private enterprise seems good at these days is taking things away from people. Logic be damned.

Although much less harmful than smoke, nicotine is still not harmless to the cardiovascular system. If the goal is public health, it makes sense to move the needle a little further and try to keep people off nicotine entirely. Alcohol is another story, we're not ready to remove that yet.

I think it’s the combination of health impact and addiction

Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

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Post by AlexandrB »

Sweepi wrote: post #29
alchemism wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what I say when I breathe car exhaust. Why cannot all combustion engines be removed from society for my health preference?

That's one of the reasons they are banned from selling new ones starting in 2035.

I don't want to inhale microplastics from tire wear. When will this be addressed?

Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

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Post by foobiekr »

subjectsigma wrote: post #50

Natural consequence of socialized medicine. If I’m paying for your healthcare then I (and by extension the state) get a say in basically every aspect of your life. Time to ban alcohol, marijuana, Tylenol, fatty foods, sugar, candles, campfires, fireworks, food coloring, bicycles, playgrounds, cars, cell phones, and anything else that might be harmful

Tylenol is much less dangerous than, say, Advil. It’s only issue is one of overdose which is common to all drugs.

Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

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Post by jellyfishbeaver »

Can anyone attest if young people are actually taking up cigarettes again? I was talking with a friend that teaches teenagers and she was explaining how many students that once were getting in trouble for vaping/pouches have now turned on to cigarettes. Completely boggles my mind - I thought the newer generation had a much stronger aversion to physical cigarettes.

Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

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Post by voidUpdate »

noduerme wrote: post #74
zbentley wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> other things (alcohol) that cause problems and are not being restricted Alcohol is heavily restricted, though. You can't sell it to minors, younger minors can't drink it in public, you can't sell/buy/make it above a certain proof, you can only resell it from authorized distributors, it is taxes, and so on. Sure, banning cigarettes for a specific generation is a much more stringent restriction, but plenty of other r…

what if they told you your kids would never be allowed to have a drink?

Sounds good to me...

Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

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Post by causalmodels »

LazyMans wrote: post #96
techteach00 wrote: post #92

Hopefully vaping will still be legal? They do distinguish the difference between inhaling burnt matter vs inhaling a heated aerosol, yes? Of course not. The only thing government and private enterprise seems good at these days is taking things away from people. Logic be damned.

Although much less harmful than smoke, nicotine is still not harmless to the cardiovascular system. If the goal is public health, it makes sense to move the needle a little further and try to keep people off nicotine entirely. Alcohol is another story, we're not ready to remove that yet.

After alcohol, are we going to stop people from having multiple sexual partners in their lifetime? Because if public health is the goal, that would solve a lot of problems.

It is fine to attempt to improve public health, but not at the cost of giving people a life worth living.

Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #38
afavour wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see smoking as a separate category owing to the existence of second hand smoke. Smoking in a room with other people adversely affects those people. I think government is the correct body to be intervening in that scenario.

That's not a separate category, that's the general principle in a free society: There is a limit to "doing what you want" when it impacts others/imposes on them. That's why smoking is already heavily regulated in order to limit and minimise the impact that your choice has on others.

On reddit, not so long ago, they were inventing interesting theories about how seat belt laws were justified because without seat belts people would be ejected from cars and kill by standards when their flying carcasses cannonballed through them.

The claim that "it impacts others" is, at very minimum, exaggerated, but just as often completely fabricated out of pseudoscience and absurd movie plots.

Smoking is heavily regulated because there was a resurgence of teetotaling in the late 20th century.

Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

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Post by Sweepi »

AlexandrB wrote: post #112
Sweepi wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's one of the reasons they are banned from selling new ones starting in 2035.

I don't want to inhale microplastics from tire wear. When will this be addressed?

Sounds a like next century problem to me.

Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

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Post by voidUpdate »

alsetmusic wrote: post #33

As a former smoker (who quit for seven years and regrets taking it up again), and as a present-day vape user, wtf. This is a clear restriction on liberty. It may be stupid that I do it. Just like many stupid decisions (junk food included), it ought to be my right to decide how to live. Cut off production so cigarettes are no longer made or imported. Don't block me from them while letting others have them. (Not in UK)…

> "it ought to be my right to decide how to live"

"Why is the government stopping me from murdering people and stealing from them? it's my right to decide how I live!"

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