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Silicon Valley is turning scientists into exploited gig workers?

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Re: Silicon Valley is turning scientists into exploited gig workers?

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Honest question, not really related to the story: What makes someone "exploited"? Most of us trade our time for money, so at what point does the money become too little and be considered exploitative? Are all gig workers exploited? Didn't they make a rational choice that this is the best opportunity for themselves? It certainly feels wrong, the low wages. I'm just wondering where the threshold is.

> What makes someone "exploited"? According to Marx it's basically always you are selling your time/labor for money because you are paid less than the value of the labor. The employer keeps the surplus.

Marx is the last person people should listen to when it comes to economics.

Re: Silicon Valley is turning scientists into exploited gig workers?

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn’t make it ok. I do wonder how minor this foundation has been laid w where graduate students may be conditioned exploited by colleges.

Academia already has a well-established structure of exploitation, with menial work falling down on grads and some undergrads, while credit for it being captured higher up in the tree.

Some institutions after all were created, for establishment and preservation of a privileged class.

Re: Silicon Valley is turning scientists into exploited gig workers?

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post #55

Ironic how a libertarian would impose his personal views on "the system". Doesn't work? Let it die. Too many PhDs? Perhaps, let them search for a job. If they're indeed too many, a generation of plumbers etc. will emerge naturally. No one is impeding their businesses, if anything governments worldwide are aiding big technology companies in any way possible.

> Ironic how a libertarian would impose his personal views on "the system". Doesn't work? Let it die. Too many PhDs? Perhaps, let them search for a job. If they're indeed too many, a generation of plumbers etc. will emerge naturally. No one is impeding their businesses, if anything governments worldwide are aiding big technology companies in any way possible. It's not ironic when you understand that libertarianism is…

that's not true in my opinion. Being a libertarian means first recognizing what "liberty" is. So there are many different libertarians, one for each definition, and then one for each consequence that can be inferred from that definition. If you value liberty as the maximum liberty that doesn't constrain others more than you are constrained, that is, realizing that humanity is both freedom and society, it's a very different thing than using any mean necessary to obtain your own freedom.

I understand this isn't the perspective of many that call themselves "libertarian".

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