Perhaps a cautionary move for potential fallout from the Hungarian election?
Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Women can help the front line fighters but if I was running a country I would not want to put a large number of women on the front, especially young women. Sure they can fight and kill. But a country that loses its ability to make more people won't last longer than a generation. Two things a country needs from which all other needs derive: people and a border that can be defended. Men historically get sacrificed to p…
Why make more people? Just import more immigrants to make up for the losses, it's the neo liberal way.
This but unironically. Immigration is good, actually.
Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45
#113We are told that we are in a state of preparing for war. When we will start restricting luxury items, unnecessary private jet travel, energy waste in crypto-currencies, etc.? Because it seems that for being so obsessed to be prepared for war the only ones affected are the working class. The rich are just wasting resources away like if there was no tomorrow. I just see austerity 2.0 to cut citizens rights, cut service…
The only thing we can do is refuse to participate. Europe no longer needs its people, our governments have demonstrated clearly that the average person is irrelevant and replaceable. Our industries have been sold off and outsourced, we no longer make anything except spreadsheets to enable globalists and asset stripping private equity parasites. Our history and diversity has been deemed non-sacrosanct, if some other c…
I fully understand not standing behind politicians and the likes. But I don’t get this stance. If the Russians come, you would hand over the country to them? And then what, emigrate?
I mean, fighting to protect the people of a country is also a thing, it doesn’t have to be for the politicians.
Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45
#114We are told that we are in a state of preparing for war. When we will start restricting luxury items, unnecessary private jet travel, energy waste in crypto-currencies, etc.? Because it seems that for being so obsessed to be prepared for war the only ones affected are the working class. The rich are just wasting resources away like if there was no tomorrow. I just see austerity 2.0 to cut citizens rights, cut service…
If that’s obsession you really need to read some history books. Germany is barely lifting a finger.
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#115I cannot understand how German men can be expected to fight while women are exempt. It's pure sexism against men and also very insulting to women. I'm opposed to conscription in general, but I live in Sweden with gender-neutral conscription laws, and I would do my best to defend my country if it became necessary. If I were a man in an alternate version of Sweden with male-only conscription, I would feel so disrespect…
I guess it depends on what you are used to and what you have grown to expect.
Life is not fair, but you can learn to accept what is expected from you by the circumstances of your birth. I had to serve in the military, because I was born a man and a Finnish citizen. I accepted that, because it was my lot in life. My rights and duties would have been different, had I been a woman or a Swedish or US citizen.
On the other hand, I would have found it extremely unfair if conscription had been based on a random lot. Regardless of if it would have covered only men or women as well. It would be unfair to condemn someone to serve due to bad luck, when another person like them is allowed to walk free.
Universality is the fundamental justification for conscription. Conscripts should only have to fight in a war that is serious enough that the country is willing to send all its sons (and daughters, if you prefer that) to risk their lives. If the country does not believe in the war enough to justify that, it should send volunteers, not conscripts.
The vast majority of men in my grandparents' generation served in WW2. Most of them saw combat. That was always the expectation what conscription is supposed to be for. My parents' generation saw their peers in the US conscripted and sent to fight in Vietnam. But only some men were conscripted, and only some conscripts were sent to Vietnam. It's not inherently wrong to use conscripts in a foreign war, but it's wrong to use them in a war that's too unpopular and too irrelevant to justify mobilizing the entire generation.
Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Women can help the front line fighters but if I was running a country I would not want to put a large number of women on the front, especially young women. Sure they can fight and kill. But a country that loses its ability to make more people won't last longer than a generation. Two things a country needs from which all other needs derive: people and a border that can be defended. Men historically get sacrificed to p…
> And women "sacrificed" to make more people. By and large, women stopped "sacrificing" a while ago, globally - or at least reduced it by large numbers. Which is completely fine. But it makes the original point moot.
And men did the same, no?
Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
Women can help the front line fighters but if I was running a country I would not want to put a large number of women on the front, especially young women. Sure they can fight and kill. But a country that loses its ability to make more people won't last longer than a generation. Two things a country needs from which all other needs derive: people and a border that can be defended. Men historically get sacrificed to p…
I hate to call out the obvious, but sacrificing is mandated by laws only in one case.
“By law“ is funny, as if it was all a legal case. I’m sure Putin respects all international laws.
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#118We are too far away from the last real war in Europe, which was WWII, and forgot how massive thing it is. Let's start saying that a war or a preparation for it is an experience that cannot be expressed wholly by words. Our current life doesn't seem to be anything like that. That's because, IMHO, the war shenanigan is a forced artificial thing, imposed by background global forces just to sell some more weapons and spr…
Ok, that might be true, but what do you suggest if the aggressor is at your door? Discuss and convince them they are being manipulated?
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#119Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45
#120We are told that we are in a state of preparing for war. When we will start restricting luxury items, unnecessary private jet travel, energy waste in crypto-currencies, etc.? Because it seems that for being so obsessed to be prepared for war the only ones affected are the working class. The rich are just wasting resources away like if there was no tomorrow. I just see austerity 2.0 to cut citizens rights, cut service…
Private jet travel? Cryptocurrencies? You’re just naming things that you don’t like. The reality is that these are not large contributors.
Don't know about cryptocurrencies, but private jets are a powerful symbol, and them not being the first thing paused when in an oil shortage sends a strong message to the rest of the population.