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Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

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Re: Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

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> A respectable software provider should warn you about this kind of behaviour at install time, and give you the opportunity to opt out They honestly only need to disclose. Requiring contribution as part of the social contract is perfectly okay—if someone disagrees, they don’t get to use Gas Town.

They didn't disclose it though. It's no different from sticking a bitcoin miner in a video game and telling the user "WARNING DANGER CAUTION ;)"

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Re: Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

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Just like with NFTs, this is all going to discredit the actually sensible use cases for years.

...still haven't seen single sensible use case for one that couldn't be solved easier/better/cheaper normal way

Digital goods- like digital rights for movies, games, etc. only none of the big players would ever give up their walled gardens/licenses instead of ownership for content etc.

Re: Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

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I have historically liked Yegge's writing, and he's been pretty tuned into what's happening in tech...he rightly predicted JavaScript would take over the world (many people predicted it, as well, including me, but it wasn't obviously true to everyone for another year or two after that prediction was made). I don't think I ever really deeply disagreed with something so much as I disagree with him on AI. I mean, it's i…

I think his writing is a mix of word salad and eloquent bs.

It certainly is now, but it's also seemingly all written by LLMs now, as well. He wasn't always like this, though he has always been prone to exaggeration and simplification. He had a lot of solid insights, though, and I enjoyed reading him. Things change.

Re: Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

#114
With the exception of a couple of comments that add context like that this might be a dev feature that was unintentionally enabled in a released version of Gas Town, the majority of the rest of this discourse seems to be:

"I've never used Gas Town, but I'm mad that there are people who like something I don't like."

Re: Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

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It seems completely in the spirit of Gas Town. A respectable software provider should warn you about this kind of behaviour at install time, and give you the opportunity to opt out. Gas Town fulfilled all its obligations in this regard with these (and other) warnings in the original announcement: > WARNING DANGER CAUTION > GET THE F** OUT > YOU WILL DIE

That was some time ago. According to Yegge, Gas Town is now stable and ready for everyday use. > Gas Town “just works.” It does its job, it has tons of integration points, and it has been stable for many weeks. People are using it to build real stuff. > So as far as I’m concerned, Gas Town is ready. That’s why I feel it merits a 1.0.0 release. Source: https://steve-yegge.medium.com/gas-town-from-clown-show-to-v...

I was trying to use Gas Town heavily only 3 weeks ago, and while it's fascinating, it's also very much still the bleeding edge.

The neat part though, is agents are so interwoven through its operations, it can kind of power through almost any error. It's a strange-but-real form of resilience.

Re: Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

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If someone disagrees, it takes about 15 minutes to ask an LLM to edit the offending behavior out of the free and open-source software.

Sure. Though I’d consider that a dick move if the social contract is to contribute back.

Like for like. You can always contribute back with a fork.

Re: Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

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I think his writing is a mix of word salad and eloquent bs.

It didn’t used to be. Back in the mid 2000s I basically designed our company’s tech interview process based on a few articles he’d written about how he was doing the same at Amazon. He was a must follow for me back in the salad days of RSS. When I saw the Gastown announcement I had trouble reconciling the author and the writing.

And even still, it’s hard to ignore him because he’ll still have some insight like “token efficiency is going to be the big thing we care about in the future,” which was a small section of one of his Gastown blogs. And after you’re done asking yourself if that means Gastown is performance art, or he just said that as a hedge against his “vomit tokens” approach so that he could say “look I knew it all along” when this is all proven to be misguided, you’ll start to mull on just the concept of “token efficiency” and realize “someone who can do work in 1/10th the tokens will be king.” I mean hell, Gastown preceded real support for multiagent orchestration in Claude and potentially nudged it along that path.

Re: Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

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A few years ago, if you visit a site, your laptop grinds to a halt and the fan starts spinning like crazy, you know there is crypto mining happening on the site. (btw that was a really good showcase for WebAssembly. Too bad it's used for illegitimate purposes)

Pretty much all sites do that to my laptop these days if I don't enable uBlock Origin. Google Meet consumes 25% of each of 16 hypercores, ffs. On a 7840u. Laptop becomes a toaster.

ThinkPad?

This probably doesn't help, but I noticed that my everyday computer experience got much better after switching to an M4 Mac. The only time I heard fan was when I was running ffmpeg. Unfortunately that appears to be the solution that works.

Re: Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

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Bitcoin is a technology that will benefit mankind if it reaches global adoption. So presumably bitcoin mining is useful for the user as well. Doesn't matter who you think benefits because it's still theft and it's still illegal.

No, it's not theft, it's more like a fee, or like torrent clients enabling seeding by default.

Mining Bitcoin is a zero sum activity. Fixing open bugs isn't.

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