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The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: New Jobs

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Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: New Jobs

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We?

The human species. "We" doesn't include everyone and doesn't necessarily imply the process happens through collaboration and planning (conspiracy). The race to automation is happening as expected; outside any group control and bound by competition. Game theory suggests the end result is us being replaced, if we make it that far. "We" as a species are the ones making it happen.

Good one. "We" are not Demon Sam Altman or that clown of Anthropic or Google or Microsoft

Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: New Jobs

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post #21

I am personally of the opinion that ML will end up being 'normal technology', albeit incredibly transformative. I think you can combine 'Incanters' and 'Process Engineers' into one - 'Users'. Jobs that encompass a role that requires accountability will be directing, providing context, and verifying the output of agents, almost like how millions of workers know basic computer skills and Microsoft Office. In my opinion…

Throw on a wizard hat and robe at some of the voice only vibe coders you see on YouTube and it’s essentially “incanters”. Hilarious.

Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: New Jobs

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post #81

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> Because a machine can never take accountability. A business leader can though. > Compared to another software engineer who directed prompts to expand the system and generate extra revenue streams. I think you're missing the point. Why can't an LLM advance sufficiently to be a REAL senior software engineer that a business person/product manager is prompting instead of YOU, a software engineer? Why are YOU specifical…

> A business leader can though. If a 'business leader' is prompting out software through their agents, ensuring it works, maintaining it, and taking accountability... they're also a software engineer These titles are mostly semantics

By this definition, pre-LLM "business leaders" circa 2008 with not even an understanding of Excel were already "software engineers" this whole time - just prompting out software through their meatspace agents, instead of their silicon ones.

Dismissal of arguments as "just semantics" is high school level argumentation.

Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: New Jobs

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I think, long term, there will be only one job comprising all these aspects. The only absolutely-minimum-required skill will be critical thinking, possibly along with data / statistical literacy for grounding.

"Specialization is for insects." (Or for someone pushing the boundaries of human knowledge.)

Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: New Jobs

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> domain experts will be fine But I don't see how this holds up to even the slightest amount of scrutiny. We're literally training LLMs to BE domain experts.

An enormous amount of domain expertise is not legible to LLMs. Their dependence on obtaining knowledge through someone else's writing is a real limitation. A lot of human domain expertise is not acquired that way. They still have a long way to go before they can master a domain from first principles, which constrains the mastery possible.

>They still have a long way to go before they can master a domain from first principles, which constrains the mastery possible.

Mastery isn't necessary. Why are Waymos lacking drivers? Not because self-driving cars have mastered driving, but because self-driving works sufficiently well that the economics don't play out for the cab driver.

Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: New Jobs

#117
jobs that have liability coverage are the last ones to get automated. even if its not doing anything all day long in terms or "work". but someone needs to go to jail when shit goes wrong as mandate by law quite often. the "oops the computer did it" isn't a sufficient excuse in some situations, accountability is a thing. so while we mechanically could replace also CEOs with machines and arguably at times would be even better than a few humans out there, some body that can be dragged to court is mandatory no matter how good the tech gets.

Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: New Jobs

#118

As an engineer, I'm never more excited about this job. My implementation speed and bug fixing my typed code to be the bottleneck - now I just think about an implementation and it then exist - As long as I thought about the structure/input/output/testability and logic flow correctly and made sure I included all that information, it just works, nicely, with tests. Unix philosophy works well with LLM too - you can have…

I'm excited and scared at the same time.

Yes I'm much more productive than before, and I'm convinced we can't get rid of engineers altogether... But how long until my team of 5 gets replaced by a single engineer? Am I going to be the one to keep my job or one of the 4 to be let go?

Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: New Jobs

#119
post #43

Loved that section about "meat shields". LLMs cannot be held accountable. Someone needs to be involved in decision making, with real stakes if those decisions are bad.

Reminds me of Succession when the next CEO of Waystar Royco was described as a “pain sponge.”

Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: New Jobs

#120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The human species. "We" doesn't include everyone and doesn't necessarily imply the process happens through collaboration and planning (conspiracy). The race to automation is happening as expected; outside any group control and bound by competition. Game theory suggests the end result is us being replaced, if we make it that far. "We" as a species are the ones making it happen.

Good one. "We" are not Demon Sam Altman or that clown of Anthropic or Google or Microsoft

Don't forget you are also not Meta, xAI, Mistral, Alibaba, DeepSeek, Zhipu AI, Moonshot AI, ByteDance, Baidu, 01.AI, MiniMax, or Tencent.
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