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Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by embedding-shape »

lentil_soup wrote: post #90
embedding-shape wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been filing complaints since a year ago, told others to do the same too, nothing happens. There been moments I've meant to deploy fixes to issues but I cannot, because some tooling goes offline. I've claimed financial loss, claimed sanity loss and everything in-between, but I'm afraid unless something reaches the European/EU courts, Spain will continue to be in the pocket of the La Liga owners. Straight up fucki…

how do you make claims, here: https://usuariosteleco.digital.gob.es/ ? Can't find a way of doing it with Cl@ve

I've used this: https://usuariosteleco.digital.gob.es/reclamaciones/telefoni...

Used my digital certificate (which is installed in the browser), but AFAIK, you can use Cl@ve on that page above too.

In the past, I've cited BOE-A-2022-10757 (https://www.boe.es/buscar/act.php?id=BOE-A-2022-10757), done a reclamació for the repeated loss of lawful access on my connection, and a denúncia about a broader overblocking practice affecting access to lawful services.

Also, supposedly, we should be able to make claims to CNMC as well, but haven't figured out how. Also of course, been complaining to my ISP every time it happens too.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by embedding-shape »

cluckindan wrote: post #98
bakugo wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly, it won't accomplish anything. La Liga seems to have enough political power in the country to bury all of that. Probably bribing everyone involved.

Corruption at that level could mean organized crime. Is there a culture of betting through illegal bookies, are they fixing matches, or ¿porque no los dos?

Well, I think when the organized crime is registered as proper businesses and they have the judges on their side even if the law isn't, I think we just call that "for-profit capitalism" nowadays.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by dualvariable »

cluckindan wrote: post #98
bakugo wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly, it won't accomplish anything. La Liga seems to have enough political power in the country to bury all of that. Probably bribing everyone involved.

Corruption at that level could mean organized crime. Is there a culture of betting through illegal bookies, are they fixing matches, or ¿porque no los dos?

penalti para el real madrid!

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by buzer »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #34
anthk wrote: post #17

CF could just sue LaLiga and the judge as interrupting and intercepting telecomms it's a really serious crime in Spain. Call the AEPD too because of consumers' right against both ISP and LaLiga's snooping. Another huge fine. This is not an issue under the civil code (civilian issues), but something to be dealt under penal (criminal) code. In Spanish https://www.fiscal.es/memorias/memoria2020/FISCALIA_SITE/rec... Oh,…

Looks like they already tried to appeal the block, and lost: https://x.com/jaumepons/status/1904906677335245294

They could potentially file the suit against Spain in European Court of Human Rights if they have exhausted national remedies. ECtHR has previously ruled some blocks to be illegal, but generally in the context where country sought the ban. Of course in both cases Court is the one that actually orders the ban.

One relevant would be Yildirim v. Turkey where court ordered blocking access to all Google sites because there was one that where someone insulted the memory of Atatürk. This was due to request from Telecommunications Directorate. This then caused the appellant's website to get blocked as well.

Another one would be Vladimir Kharitonov v. Russia.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by tryauuum »

boredatoms wrote: post #92
danirod wrote: post #30

Heh, lucky you, at least you get a message. My ISP just drops traffic to the affected IPs. No ping, no traceroute, just a spinner in the browser until it says "page not found". Every response and comment from LaLiga, the football organization responsible for this, has been so far that this is a minor issue that only affects a few bunch of nerds who talk about "docker images" or "github repositories" or "whatever that…

Perhaps its time to put a VPN into all your CI jobs

You can't fight political issues with clever technical solutions

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by jjcm »

Barring an Internet giant suing them in court, it really feels like this is unlikely to change as most just don’t understand the why or the effect.

Someone needs to write a heist movie set in Spain where a key part of the plan is they steal something while La Liga is blocking some key security route.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by psychoslave »

tryauuum wrote: post #116
boredatoms wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps its time to put a VPN into all your CI jobs

You can't fight political issues with clever technical solutions

That's actually part of rebellion modus operandi, so totally something realistic. But not within the frame of law and not in the sweet position of someone away from the "I'll die for the just cause" mindset.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by ryandrake »

embedding-shape wrote: post #79
freetanga wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All people affected should file a complaint with your ISP and with Oficina de Atención al Usuario de Telecomunicaciones claiming financial loss for arbitrary service censorship.

I've been filing complaints since a year ago, told others to do the same too, nothing happens. There been moments I've meant to deploy fixes to issues but I cannot, because some tooling goes offline. I've claimed financial loss, claimed sanity loss and everything in-between, but I'm afraid unless something reaches the European/EU courts, Spain will continue to be in the pocket of the La Liga owners. Straight up fucki…

Whenever I get a little down over how much power unelected corporations have in my country, I can at least cheer myself up a little by being thankful that something as stupid as football doesn't have enough power here to control whether or not I have internet access.
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