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South Korea introduces universal basic mobile data access

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Re: South Korea introduces universal basic mobile data access

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Post by legostormtroopr »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #98
SecretDreams wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I completely agree with this sentiment. Good luck getting anything like that locked, sadly.

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I’m not going to let you hide behind a big word.

You are publicly proposing “throwing all Republicans through a window to their death”.

This isn’t normal, and it isn’t right. If we allow anyone to call for political violence, then we become numb to it. Worse still, your call to violence against Republicans gives them a call to defence, and then a call to preemptive action.

“It was ok for us to shutdown HackerNews because they called for our deaths.”

We shouldn’t tolerate calls to political violence from anyone. Be better.

Re: South Korea introduces universal basic mobile data access

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Post by ksec »

edent wrote: post #6
Leomuck wrote: post #4

Crazy, I've never heard of such a plan anywhere. But given how essential the internet is to everything we do on a daily basis, that makes a lot of sense. However, I would like to see the existing situation that lead to this decision. Were there many people who couldn't do things anymore due to lacking internet access? Was there public pressure to do this or did they just think it a good idea? My assumption so far was…

At the height of the pandemic, the UK mandated zero-rating data for mobile connection to .gov.uk and .NHS.uk domains, along with several other charitable sites. (I was part of the team working on that proposal.)

Are you part of HMG or was it at telco level ?

Re: South Korea introduces universal basic mobile data access

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Post by ksec »

techsystems wrote: post #44
jl6 wrote: post #2

> the scheme will provide over seven million subscribers with unlimited downloads at just 400 kbps after their data allowances expire. Does this mean it’s not a universal entitlement as such, because you presumably first have to pay for a plan with an allowance? (Not to mention having to pay for a device).

Yes it does, but you probably need a bit of context. They already have free Wi-Fi in every bus stop, train stations, government buildings, etc. like clocks, thermometers, air quality sensors, etc. The free Wi-Fi is very high quality, where you can watch 4K videos without stutters in most places (1080p for other places). This is more about basics instead of luxurious/entertainment purposes, where if they run out of da…

>The free Wi-Fi is very high quality,

Haven't been to SK in recent years, but assuming quality as it is Fast, how does the log in system work?

My main problem is not speed with modern public WiFi, especially in recent years enterprise WiFI 6 and coming WiFi 7 have gotten much better with signals and receptions. But simply just to use it.

It is at least 3 - 5 steps to have it log in. And the login only works 95% of the time.

Do we have something where a single click of a button and within 100ms we are in? Or even better without even doing anything? I have yet to seen one in real world.

Re: South Korea introduces universal basic mobile data access

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Post by _bernd »

TingPing wrote: post #61
morkalork wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is... Shockingly reasonable. Would be perfect if it included other essential services e.g. domains used for online banking.

It’s technically problematic. The ISP should have little idea of domains you visit. And they can’t already when everything works.

Do you have heared of IP addresses and that large institutions especially government institutions have their own blocks from the address space? Mapping these is kind of easy.

Re: South Korea introduces universal basic mobile data access

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Post by Terr_ »

philipallstar wrote: post #96
Terr_ wrote: post #66

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That may say more about needs than affordability.

It's clearly affordable if it can be afforded. Otherwise nothing is affordable.

What I mean is that there are different needs and constraints on different users. Some homeless folks need a smartphone more than, say, retirees.

It also affects what would normally be considered "inferior goods" in economics. If someone is camp-in-the-bushes homeless, they can't really "save money" by having an old laptop instead. Being able to carry it with you is more of a requirement than a convenience.

Re: South Korea introduces universal basic mobile data access

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Post by herbst »

Leomuck wrote: post #4

Crazy, I've never heard of such a plan anywhere. But given how essential the internet is to everything we do on a daily basis, that makes a lot of sense. However, I would like to see the existing situation that lead to this decision. Were there many people who couldn't do things anymore due to lacking internet access? Was there public pressure to do this or did they just think it a good idea? My assumption so far was…

Switzerland is doing that quite a while now.

https://www.swisscom.ch/en/residential/landline-subscription...

Re: South Korea introduces universal basic mobile data access

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Post by inemesitaffia »

_bernd wrote: post #114
TingPing wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s technically problematic. The ISP should have little idea of domains you visit. And they can’t already when everything works.

Do you have heared of IP addresses and that large institutions especially government institutions have their own blocks from the address space? Mapping these is kind of easy.

They are likely behind (foreign) CDN's.

Not that there's no BYOIP and not that it's impossible to do with shared IP's

Re: South Korea introduces universal basic mobile data access

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Post by foldr »

hamdingers wrote: post #80
foldr wrote: post #68

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It doesn't meet a perfect theoretical definition of net neutrality, but it's a set of defined legal limits on the extent to which providers can treat different kinds of traffic differently.

Net neutrality is not theoretical, it is literally the default setting. Any deviation from that default requires special effort be taken to identify network traffic and treat it differently, and as soon as you have made that effort you cannot truthfully claim to have net neutrality. The UK does not prohibit net neutrality but it does not require it either (according to the comment I replied to which I have not verifi…

I guess to me this seems a bit like saying that free markets are the default setting. We’re not in some kind of perfect state of nature. We’re in a complex interconnected society where virtually everything of any importance is regulated to some extent. What you’re saying seems like saying “as soon as you impose one regulation you no longer have a free market”.
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