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Bitcoin miners are losing on every coin produced as difficulty drops

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Re: Bitcoin miners are losing on every coin produced as difficulty drops

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No one is producing Bitcoin at loss, because it doesn't make any sense, but it might happen temporarily. Imagine the mining cost as a distribution curve, and bitcoin miners filling the distribution from the cheapest upwards to where the cost equals the revenue, i.e. the highest cost miner is at break-even, so that total of 3.125 (+transaction fees) bitcoin worth of hashrate is produced every 10 minutes. All but the h…

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Re: Bitcoin miners are losing on every coin produced as difficulty drops

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Bitcoin is no longer mined by GPUs but by ASICs

Don't the ASICs compete with the same fab capacity that fabs GPUs, RAM, SSDs etc.

You’re fractionally right with GPUs but RAM and SSDs run on different processes at different fabs.

Re: Bitcoin miners are losing on every coin produced as difficulty drops

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No. all coins do not have equal mining participation.

I think the comment you replied to meant that the other coins are also dropping in price, when bitcoin drops.

Yes, but the coins with less participation require less power to compete. To make a market argument that there is an equilibrium of players across all coins, implies there are actual individuals finding opportunities and switching coins when they get out of sync.

Re: Bitcoin miners are losing on every coin produced as difficulty drops

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The headline is dramatic but this is literally how bitcoin is designed to work. Miners leave, difficulty drops, costs go down, mining becomes profitable again. The interesting part isn’t the loss per coin, it’s how long the lag between unprofitable mining and difficulty adjustment keeps forced selling pressure on the market.

Its still true and shows one of many issues with bitcoin. Based on bitcoin cryptobros, you need a certain amount of independent miners for the 'quality' of bitcoins. A bitcoin miner if its a state, can operate with a loss a lot longer if not even infinit, than the decentralized normal people (who do not exist anyway). It also creates a lot of pressure on miners if you do not run your gpus, yuou are also at a loss, wh…

The original idea was for every single person out there to mine bitcoins on their own computers. Bitcoin screwed that up by allowing big corporations to push out the smaller players. Their big purpose built hardware increased mining difficulty to the point mere mortals need not even apply. Mining on GPUs? Nope, you need purpose built ASICs for this.

Monero is the only cryptocurrency today that's at least trying to implement the original "one CPU, one vote" vision but nobody really cares about it since number doesn't go up.

Re: Bitcoin miners are losing on every coin produced as difficulty drops

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Bitcoin is no longer mined by GPUs but by ASICs

Don't the ASICs compete with the same fab capacity that fabs GPUs, RAM, SSDs etc.

They compete with older GPUs. Not new ones, not RAM, and not SSDs.

Re: Bitcoin miners are losing on every coin produced as difficulty drops

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I'm far from a crypto expert but aren't costs largely GPUs and electricity here? Those are now being driven by massive AI demand and are likely to remain so for the forseeable future. So how would costs go down?

If costs stay high, then people will drop out of bitcoin mining, which will cause supply to go down and bitcoin prices to go up.

It won’t cause supply to go down, the same amount of Bitcoin is produced whether it’s mined by millions of ASICs or a single 2008-vintage laptop.

Re: Bitcoin miners are losing on every coin produced as difficulty drops

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My understanding is lots of bitcoin farms use stolen electricity.

Ie. Hidden away in a storage closet in a school or office, or in someone's house with an electric meter bypassed.

If a decent chunk of mining does that, then it could become uneconomical for those who do pay for their power.

Re: Bitcoin miners are losing on every coin produced as difficulty drops

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My understanding is lots of bitcoin farms use stolen electricity. Ie. Hidden away in a storage closet in a school or office, or in someone's house with an electric meter bypassed. If a decent chunk of mining does that, then it could become uneconomical for those who do pay for their power.

Your assumption is certainly not true. The large miners are just in close proximity to electricity generation sources where power is much cheaper.
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