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The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok

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Re: The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok

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> You don’t have to have poor quality software just because you’re using AI for coding.

People were given faster typers with incredible search capabilities and decided quality doesn’t matter anymore.

I don’t even mean the code. The product quality is noticeably sub par with so many vibe-coded projects.

Re: The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok

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It’s truly strange that people keep citing the quality of Claude code’s leaked source as if it’s proof vibe coding doesn’t work. If anything, it’s the exact opposite. It shows that you can build a crazy popular & successful product while violating all the traditional rules about “good” code.

It kind of reminds me of grammar police type personalities. They are so hung up on the fact it reads “ugly” they can’t see the message; this code powers a rapidly growing $400B company. They admit refactoring is easy, but fail to realize they probably know that too and it’s just not a priority yet.

Re: The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok

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Huh what moronic failure did Anthropic do? Every Claude Code user I know loves it.

I don't know if the comment was referring to this, but recently, people have been posting stuff about them requiring their new hire Jared Sumner, author of the Bun runtime, to first and foremost fix memory leaks that caused very high memory consumption for claude's CLI. The original source was them posting about the matter on X I think. And at first glance, none of it was about complex runtime optimizations not prese…

Ah I believe codex has similar issues. Terrible code quality but goes to show it doesn't really matter in the end.

Re: The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok

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It’s truly strange that people keep citing the quality of Claude code’s leaked source as if it’s proof vibe coding doesn’t work. If anything, it’s the exact opposite. It shows that you can build a crazy popular & successful product while violating all the traditional rules about “good” code.

It basically shifting work to future people. This mess will stop working and will introduce unsolvable obscure bugs one day, and someone actually will have to look at it.

It already costed many developers months and hundreds of dollars worth of tokens because of a bug. There will be more.

Re: The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok

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post #20

It’s truly strange that people keep citing the quality of Claude code’s leaked source as if it’s proof vibe coding doesn’t work. If anything, it’s the exact opposite. It shows that you can build a crazy popular & successful product while violating all the traditional rules about “good” code.

Yes that plus having tens of billions of gulf money certainly helps you subsidize your moronic failures with money that isn't yours while you continue, and fail to, achieve profitability in any time horizon within a single lifespan.

There have certainly been periods of irrational exuberance in the tech industry, but there are also many companies that were criticized for being unprofitable which are now, as far as I can tell, quite profitable. Amazon, Uber, I'm sure many more. I'm curious what the basis is to say that Anthropic could never achieve profitability? Are the numbers that bad?

Re: The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok

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post #80
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes that plus having tens of billions of gulf money certainly helps you subsidize your moronic failures with money that isn't yours while you continue, and fail to, achieve profitability in any time horizon within a single lifespan.

Huh what moronic failure did Anthropic do? Every Claude Code user I know loves it.

Recently there was a bug where CC would consume day/week/month quota in just a few hours, or hundreds of dollars in API costs in a few prompts.

Re: The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok

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It’s truly strange that people keep citing the quality of Claude code’s leaked source as if it’s proof vibe coding doesn’t work. If anything, it’s the exact opposite. It shows that you can build a crazy popular & successful product while violating all the traditional rules about “good” code.

This, 100x.

I do M&As at my company - as a cto. I have seen lots of successful companies' codebases, and literally none of them elegant. Including very profitable companies with good, loved products.

The only good code I know is in the open source domain and in the demoscene. The commercial code is mostly crap - and still makes money.

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