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Re: US forces locate and evacuate downed airman in Iran

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I'm completely uninterested in indulging Zionist propaganda. Never again will I take information from any Zionist source. I think I've cited very valid reasons as to why that is.

OK, but what about me a random American poster on HN on my personal points? You haven't actually posted anything of substance why you won't engage just vague 'I'm not willing to engage discussion even though I want to post on this subject on HN over and over'.

Those are Zionist talking points, not your "personal points". There are lots of Zionists on this site. I probably shouldn't have engaged in this bad faith argument and will rectify that mistake now.

Re: US forces locate and evacuate downed airman in Iran

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OK, but what about me a random American poster on HN on my personal points? You haven't actually posted anything of substance why you won't engage just vague 'I'm not willing to engage discussion even though I want to post on this subject on HN over and over'.

Those are Zionist talking points, not your "personal points". There are lots of Zionists on this site. I probably shouldn't have engaged in this bad faith argument and will rectify that mistake now.

Those are my personal thoughts on the matter, not zionist talking points. I asked you questions you can't answer and now you have to use dishonest tactics and namecalling because you can't respond to them.

FYI more invaders, this time Pakistani militia are now being recruited into Iran to oppress/occupy the Iranian population in service of the occupation theocratic government:

"The roaming of the Islamic Republic's proxies in Iran; entry of "Zainabiyoun" of Pakistan after "Hashd al-Shaabi" of Iraq and "Fatemiyoun" of Afghanistan

Reports of the presence of forces affiliated with the Zainabiyoun Division of Pakistan have been published in various areas of Sistan and Baluchestan province."

Re: US forces locate and evacuate downed airman in Iran

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Yes, Shia Islam does not "embrace martyrdom" in that they do not want to live. I think they handle us murdering them en mass with the utmost grace, maybe that's where you are confused?

So, tell me about suicide bombers? They may want to live, but at least some of them are much more willing to die - much more willing to choose to die - than most leaders of most countries.

The "suicide bombers" are people who had their families murdered by Zionists. A fully expected and understandable response to such a thing.

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No, I don't care about Russia one way or the other. I do think my money was stolen to fund the Ukraine though. I'm not an extremist, I'm no Zionist.

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I said the US had the largest nuclear program and I was right. I even provided a source. You are also breaking site guidelines, badly.

Russia objectively has the largest nuclear program. 'which car collection is larger, the one with less more expensive cars, or the one with more cars'. See how that works. The one with more of the 'thing' is the larger. The fact one nation gets more bang for their dollar doesn't change how numbers work.

Again, the US has the largest nuclear program by a long shot. Russia isn't even in the top 5. Please go back and reread the source I posted.

Re: US forces locate and evacuate downed airman in Iran

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And the evidence for this is where, exactly? Oh, that's right, it's all extrajudicial "trust me bro" with no congressional oversight.

Not really. I'm simply noting the characteristics of the vehicle as seen in the videos released by the War Department. Are you a fisherman? Usually when I go fishing I take, ya know, fishing gear with me.

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>"see who your real friends are" The current US government (and the millions who voted them in power despite their clear fascistic tendencies) made perfectly clear to the rest of the world that the USA is friends with nobody: we are all supposed to be either enemies or vassals. You can't have Vance come to Europe and insult all of them and expect us to be friends with you.

I totally get it. Via revealed preference, Europe decided a long time ago that they wanted to outsource continental security to the Americans. For a while, this worked out okay, but after 9/11 and the, shall we say, tepid enthusiasm that the rest of NATO (absent maybe Great Britain) had with supporting the US, the relationship deteriorated to a pretty basic free rider problem. Fast forward to the Ukraine War and it b…

Vance said mean things about our soldiers who died in Afghanistan and Iraq, connard.

I am more than forty y.o. and I know the story, I've been there. The story isn't that Europe are freeriders, but that the USA kneecapped any attempt at European strength, for example by using their special relationship with the UK to veto every European defense agreement outside of NATO, because they wanted the EU to always be dependent on the USA.

The current push is also a pure extorsion racket, as provent by the violent threats the US is making against the EU for the crime of rebuilding their continental security with European weapons: https://subscriber.politicopro.com/article/2026/02/pentagon-...

proving once and for all the the US isn't really pushing for "Europe taking taking charge of their own security" and that you are a liar and a gaslighter.

>after 9/11 and the, shall we say, tepid enthusiasm that the rest of NATO (absent maybe Great Britain) had with supporting the US

See? What can I answer except "Fuck you, fucking asshole".

Sorry to have not sent even more of our soldiers to die into a war that... you now think were very bad mistake, perpetual wars that shouldn't have happened... We tried to tell you and got "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" as an answer. And then you still sent soldiers, and now you say they never mattered.

Why are you surprised we don't want to follow your lead at all now? We should help you in the war with Iran that you won, you need our boats but you don't need them - which is it?

Re: US forces locate and evacuate downed airman in Iran

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I totally get it. Via revealed preference, Europe decided a long time ago that they wanted to outsource continental security to the Americans. For a while, this worked out okay, but after 9/11 and the, shall we say, tepid enthusiasm that the rest of NATO (absent maybe Great Britain) had with supporting the US, the relationship deteriorated to a pretty basic free rider problem. Fast forward to the Ukraine War and it b…

Vance said mean things about our soldiers who died in Afghanistan and Iraq, connard . I am more than forty y.o. and I know the story, I've been there. The story isn't that Europe are freeriders, but that the USA kneecapped any attempt at European strength, for example by using their special relationship with the UK to veto every European defense agreement outside of NATO, because they wanted the EU to always be depen…

Best I could find on what you're referring to for the Vance insult is this[1]:

>UK opposition politicians accused JD Vance of disrespecting British forces after he said a US stake in Ukraine's economy was a "better security guarantee than 20,000 troops from some random country that hasn't fought a war in 30 or 40 years".

This is just objectively true, sorry.

I was in the GWOT and am familiar with how our NATO "partners" intentionally kneecapped themselves at the expense of supporting the mission and the safety of their own soldiers. This country can't fight at night, this country can go outside the wire, this country can't do convoy ops beyond such and such distance, this country can't.... Can't was the operative word. Sure, point taken that the war was prosecuted over 20 years in a very, very stupid way. That doesn't change the fact that what Vance is saying is true.

That article is pay-walled, but the point of the response from the Americans is that if European Defense vendors wish to maintain access to the (much more lucrative) US market, then US vendors should be able to retain the same access to Europe. How is this not simply fair play amongst "alliance" members? NATO should not be selling NATO technology outside of NATO, so to the extent that the US vetoed (via the UK) foreign military sales to non-NATO members ... yes I support this 100%. This is how a defensive alliance works.

>Why are you surprised we don't want to follow your lead at all now?

I am quite literally asking you to do the opposite for European security. I am tired of my country being the guarantor for security and sovereignty of places that maybe 1 or 2 people at the New York Times could find on a map without googling it, but who then turn around and pretend that the existence of democracy itself is a function of the 82nd being able to seize airfields in that country to stop the Russians. I am tired of Europeans telling me that my country sucks and how GWOT vets are war criminals, on and on, when you guys can't do a proper casevac or figure out CAS without calling daddy. Figure that shit out yourselves, thanks. Happy to help teach, though.

>We should help you in the war with Iran that you won, you need our boats but you don't need them - which is it?

We do not need anything from you. Everyone, with some notable exceptions, in this "alliance" threw a hissy fit about overflights originating from bases across Europe that my country built to keep your country safe from the Soviets. Perhaps we should simply close these bases, and let you all figure out how to deal with IRBMs and the host of other 21st century war tech on your own. To the extent that this WH or anyone in my government is asking for "help", it's probably meant as a troll, given that outside of France there's very little force projection on blue water coming out of the rest of NATO. That was a choice, that those countries made. No one in the American government told, for example, the UK to essentially mothball their Navy. No one in the American government told the Germans to shutdown their reactors like a bunch of fools, making them dependent on Russian gas. You people voted for this, knowing that the Americans are always the backstop if shit hits the fan.

Ironically, the last time I had an argument with a Euro about American military involvement and defense policy I was in London in 2023, and to my surprise the only person coming to my side of the debate was the lone Frenchman. Pity.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czx7w7q7qzro

Re: US forces locate and evacuate downed airman in Iran

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post #117

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Vance said mean things about our soldiers who died in Afghanistan and Iraq, connard . I am more than forty y.o. and I know the story, I've been there. The story isn't that Europe are freeriders, but that the USA kneecapped any attempt at European strength, for example by using their special relationship with the UK to veto every European defense agreement outside of NATO, because they wanted the EU to always be depen…

Best I could find on what you're referring to for the Vance insult is this[1]: >UK opposition politicians accused JD Vance of disrespecting British forces after he said a US stake in Ukraine's economy was a "better security guarantee than 20,000 troops from some random country that hasn't fought a war in 30 or 40 years". This is just objectively true, sorry. I was in the GWOT and am familiar with how our NATO "partne…

>when you guys can't do a proper casevac or figure out CAS without calling daddy

Completely false. Just a counterexample, there are tons of videos of French and European action in the Sahel region where we do exactly that - without war criming all the time like you did with your carpet bombing of "sand n-ggers". You are so far up your own ass for a country that failed miserably in Afghanistan and Iraq.

>Everyone, with some notable exceptions, in this "alliance" threw a hissy fit about overflights originating from bases across Europe that my country built to keep your country safe from the Soviets.

Yeah, and you don't see the problem with using these bases to launch an attack against another country without asking us if we were on board? The Iranians are not the Soviets. NATO is supposed to be a defensive alliance, not your private army. And your idiot leader wants to invade Greenland by force! When you already have bases there for decades!

>let you all figure out how to deal with IRBMs

You love nuclear proliferation now? You think we don't have nukes or we can't build more nukes? You think it is in the USA's best interest to have more countries with nukes everywhere? Are you dumb or do you have a death wish?

>You people voted for this*

You people voted for the GWOT. You people voted for Trump who clearly wanted more wars and more war crimes.

>Best I could find on what you're referring to for the Vance insult

You are brain damaged if that's all you can find. And "hasn't fought a war in 30 or 40 years" isn't even remotely true, like, at all. You are completely ignorant.

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