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Critics say EU risks ceding control of its tech laws under U.S. pressure

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Re: Critics say EU risks ceding control of its tech laws under U.S. pressure

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> personal injury attorney > ... a degraded culture Do matters of personal injury liability not apply in Europe?

Most non-US countries only award money for actual damages, not punitive charges.

It's also assumed that people have at least a little common sense and that your average adult knows more than a toddler.

Re: Critics say EU risks ceding control of its tech laws under U.S. pressure

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The EU is not doing anything near enough against global warming.

There is no point fighting against global warming if you're the only one doing it. If China, USA and India are not on the same page, the result will be that production will move even more to those countries, global warming will continue and European will just be poorer.

You right. Market competition makes this situation a prisonors dilemna. Under capitalism this problem will persist.

Re: Critics say EU risks ceding control of its tech laws under U.S. pressure

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post #98

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Or: a guy who is anti-copyright is performing an angle shoot to see if he can get some legislators to bite. The EU taking staunchly anti-American positions and targeting American businesses looking for a way to “legally” rob them blind is probably not going to work out for them in the long run.

Not rob them blind, just rob them a tiny bit to make up for a generation's worth of extortion.

So rob American businesses blind, but say you didn’t, but if you did, they had it coming anyway because of an unsubstantiated flimsy moral justification that disregards the purchasing choices of the EU citizenry, businesses and governments?

Re: Critics say EU risks ceding control of its tech laws under U.S. pressure

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After decades of trying and broadly failing to regulate American tech corps, at what point does the EU admit that leveling fines against Meta will never stop Meta from being Meta, that American megacorps are essentially ungovernable in Europe (or elsewhere for that matter) and the best course of action is to ban and block them in Europe? Just more fines. Bigger fines, surely this will work eventually... It's been 20…

Hint: the reason why your observations about reality doesn’t match up to your expectations is because the premise you’ve built for yourself is wrong.

This is obvious to the outsider. The premise that you made up for yourself is that Europe wants to change Meta and how it works to protect its citizens. It’s obvious to me that this is not the goal. The goal is to extract wealth from those companies under the guise of consumer protection.

The EU makes more from regulating and taxing US tech companies than it makes from its own quaint tech sector. Ban and blocking those companies is never going to happen for this reason. Why destroy your cash cow?

Re: Critics say EU risks ceding control of its tech laws under U.S. pressure

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As a European I have been deeply disappointed with how toothless the EC has been on enforcing the Digital Markets Act. I have exactly one submission to Hacker News from 20 July 2022 when the DMA was approved ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32163704 ). I was incredibly hopeful, given the indicated timelines, that Apple would be forced to open up iOS and iPadOS. Meaning install an application from the internet w…

> I don't know how to force this issue as a European. There are just too many levels of abstraction between me and Brussels.

> EU moves so much faster when it comes to regulations like forcing all of us in Denmark to use timesheets, annoying lids on our bottles, and invasive surveillance laws.

Rediscovering the principle of subsidiarity from first principles...

Re: Critics say EU risks ceding control of its tech laws under U.S. pressure

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post #55

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> Meta’s Mark Zuckerberg publicly voiced his dissatisfaction and sought support from Trump, while Apple’s Tim Cook reportedly asked the White House to directly intervene against EU fines imposed on his company. https://www.euractiv.com/news/widespread-alarm-over-commissi... Apple even went so far as to demand the EU repeal these laws, and is likely still non-compliant in several ways; for which they should have been…

> they should have been fined tens of billions of dollars by now! Maybe cartoonishly large fines levied against powerful entities wasn’t such a great idea. Other incentives may have been better suited to getting the populace what they want in the long term.

>Maybe cartoonishly large fines levied against powerful entities

right, the tradition is that fines be cartoonishly small so that breaking the law can be factored into the cost of doing business, who the hell does the EU think they are to go against tradition!!?

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> they should have been fined tens of billions of dollars by now! Maybe cartoonishly large fines levied against powerful entities wasn’t such a great idea. Other incentives may have been better suited to getting the populace what they want in the long term.

I don't think there is an incentive lawmakers could offer that is worth more to Apple than monopolizing fees and subverting competition, there is practically no limits they will go to to preserve that status quo around the world. The only time they have eagerly complied with anything relating to this is when Judge YGR gave them this ultimatum, they approved Fortnite a full day early once someone had to be personally…

That seems like a better model than stupefying fines against the corporate entity then. Forget about billion dollar fines, just give them a slap on the wrist while telling them explicitly what they have to stop doing, but then if they keep doing it the executives are personally held in contempt.

It also solves the perverse incentive of "fine the foreign companies as a revenue generation method" because the result is getting them to comply instead of either repeatedly fining them for not doing it or trying to extract a fine so large it becomes an international political issue.

Re: Critics say EU risks ceding control of its tech laws under U.S. pressure

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post #21

Specifically, this is another Parliament vs Commission issue. The Commission loves to have little deals away from the public where everything is quietly smoothed over, while the Parliament is trying to build popular legitimacy.

The EU should abandon the stupid Commission structure and have a real Parliament that can actually draft legislation. The current one can just vote down legislation drafted by the Commission.

What they ought to do is have a process for passing EU-wide laws where they get introduced by a popularly elected legislature but to be enacted they also have to be approved by the majority of the legislatures of the member states. That gives you a good check on centralized power grabs because the member states have to approve anything that could usurp their role, but you can still pass things that make sense at that level like a common set of antitrust rules.

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post #75

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This talk from Cory Doctorow made the rounds on HN when it happened: https://pluralistic.net/2026/01/01/39c3/#the-new-coalition In it he espouses going a little further. He posits that other countries should repeal their versions of the DMCA and just start jailbreaking American megacorps' app stores, hardware, software, etc. and providing their own, much cheaper (or free) versions. Free trade has already broken down,…

> Free trade has already broken down, what do they have to lose? The US parking an aircraft carrier nearby so the crew can enjoy a sunny vacation. Or meddling with elections. Or both.

I doubt this would work for the better. As we have recently seen when carriers got parked near Iran.

Re: Critics say EU risks ceding control of its tech laws under U.S. pressure

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After decades of trying and broadly failing to regulate American tech corps, at what point does the EU admit that leveling fines against Meta will never stop Meta from being Meta, that American megacorps are essentially ungovernable in Europe (or elsewhere for that matter) and the best course of action is to ban and block them in Europe? Just more fines. Bigger fines, surely this will work eventually... It's been 20…

Hint: the reason why your observations about reality doesn’t match up to your expectations is because the premise you’ve built for yourself is wrong. This is obvious to the outsider. The premise that you made up for yourself is that Europe wants to change Meta and how it works to protect its citizens. It’s obvious to me that this is not the goal. The goal is to extract wealth from those companies under the guise of c…

Do you have any numbers for this? I somehow have doubts that US tech companies pay more taxes in EU.
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