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Re: Lemonade by AMD: a fast and open source local LLM server using GPU and NPU

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the npu is more for power efficiency when on battery. I don't think it's a replacement for gpu.

what kind of tps slowdown would you realistically on an npu vs gpu?

Microsoft requires a 40 TOPS NPU for Copilot co-branding, which a RTX 3050 can beat.

Re: Lemonade by AMD: a fast and open source local LLM server using GPU and NPU

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> Been running local LLMs on my 7900 XTX for months and the ROCm experience has been... rough. Just out of curiosity... how so? I only ask because I've been running local models (using Ollama) on my RX 7900 XTX for the last year and a half or so and haven't had a single problem that was ROCm specific that I can think of. Actually, I've barely had any problems at all, other than the card being limited to 24GB of VRAM.…

Did you have complete hardware lockups when VRAM is exceeded? I had quite a few on my 7900XTX with llama.cpp (Arch Linux, various driver versions). Once I dial in the quant and context size that never exceed VRAM, it is stable; before that I swear a lot and keep pressing the hardware reset button.

Re: Lemonade by AMD: a fast and open source local LLM server using GPU and NPU

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Maybe it's a language barrier problem, but "by AMD" makes me think its a project distributed by AMD. Is that actually the case? I'm not seeing any reason to believe it is.

Check the copyright notice at the bottom of the frontage, it says (c) 2026 AMD

Re: Lemonade by AMD: a fast and open source local LLM server using GPU and NPU

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> Been running local LLMs on my 7900 XTX for months and the ROCm experience has been... rough. Just out of curiosity... how so? I only ask because I've been running local models (using Ollama) on my RX 7900 XTX for the last year and a half or so and haven't had a single problem that was ROCm specific that I can think of. Actually, I've barely had any problems at all, other than the card being limited to 24GB of VRAM.…

Did you have complete hardware lockups when VRAM is exceeded? I had quite a few on my 7900XTX with llama.cpp (Arch Linux, various driver versions). Once I dial in the quant and context size that never exceed VRAM, it is stable; before that I swear a lot and keep pressing the hardware reset button.

Nope. I've exceeded available VRAM a few times, and never had to do anything other than maybe restart Ollama. To be fair though, that's "exceed available VRAM" in terms of the initial model load (eg, using a model that would never load in 24GB). I don't know that I've ever started working with a successfully loaded model and then pushed past available VRAM by pushing stuff into the context.

I've had a few of those "model psychosis" incidents where the context gets so big that the model just loses all coherence and starts spewing gibberish though. Those are always fun.

Re: Lemonade by AMD: a fast and open source local LLM server using GPU and NPU

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You have got to be joking. My three NVIDIA cards are more power efficient than my one AMD card, both at idle and during usage. Official ROCm is like pulling teeth with poor support for desktop cards. Debian, a volunteer led project, have better ROCm CI than AMD and support more cards. Look at any benchmarks. NV midrange cards are faster than AMD and at least a generation in front. Owning a 7900XTX is an embarrassing…

> Official ROCm is like pulling teeth with poor support for desktop cards... I agree with most of your post and fled the AMD ecosystem some time ago because of the machine learning situation, but their problem seemed to be more the firmware bugs and memory management of compute shaders than the higher level libraries. The obvious solution to this one would be not to use ROCm. ROCm has always been a bit of a train wre…

Yes, AMD themselves even use Vulkan tg numbers in their marketing material, because it's faster than ROCm on everything RDNA2 onwards (seems embarrassing).

However for pp, Vulkan is still nowhere near close to ROCm. That matters for long context and/or quick response. A lot of people really care about that time-to-first-token.

Re: Lemonade by AMD: a fast and open source local LLM server using GPU and NPU

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> Been running local LLMs on my 7900 XTX for months and the ROCm experience has been... rough. Just out of curiosity... how so? I only ask because I've been running local models (using Ollama) on my RX 7900 XTX for the last year and a half or so and haven't had a single problem that was ROCm specific that I can think of. Actually, I've barely had any problems at all, other than the card being limited to 24GB of VRAM.…

Did you have complete hardware lockups when VRAM is exceeded? I had quite a few on my 7900XTX with llama.cpp (Arch Linux, various driver versions). Once I dial in the quant and context size that never exceed VRAM, it is stable; before that I swear a lot and keep pressing the hardware reset button.

Yes, it completely crashes the machine. I didn't even think it was unexpected until I read your comment. I guess this is what I come to expect when using anything except firefox or neovim

Re: Lemonade by AMD: a fast and open source local LLM server using GPU and NPU

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I exclusively buy AMD hardware for local inference. For open drivers, power efficiency, and cost AMD beats Nvidia easily for consumers.

You have got to be joking. My three NVIDIA cards are more power efficient than my one AMD card, both at idle and during usage. Official ROCm is like pulling teeth with poor support for desktop cards. Debian, a volunteer led project, have better ROCm CI than AMD and support more cards. Look at any benchmarks. NV midrange cards are faster than AMD and at least a generation in front. Owning a 7900XTX is an embarrassing…

Have a Strix Halo 128 running Qwen 3.5 122b at 35t/s using Vulkan and kernel 7.0.0 on a 400w PSU. Pretty hard to beat for the price and power consumption IMO. But to be fair I compile everything myself so proprietary drivers required by nvidia are a non starter for me.

Re: Lemonade by AMD: a fast and open source local LLM server using GPU and NPU

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As another data point. Running Qwen3.5 122B at 35t/s as a daily driver using Vulcan llama.cpp on kernel 7.0.0rc5 on a Framework Desktop board (Strix Halo 128). Also a pair of AMD AI Pro r9700 cards as my workhorses for zimageturbo, qwen tts/asr and other accessory functions and experiments. Finally have a Radeon 6900 XT running qwen3.5 32B at 60+t/s for a fast all arounder. If I buy anything nvidia it will be only fo…

How is the performance for Z-Image on the R9700s?

About 10 seconds for a 1024x1024 on one, but not found a nice way to scale processing a single image across both.

Re: Lemonade by AMD: a fast and open source local LLM server using GPU and NPU

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post #77

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As another data point. Running Qwen3.5 122B at 35t/s as a daily driver using Vulcan llama.cpp on kernel 7.0.0rc5 on a Framework Desktop board (Strix Halo 128). Also a pair of AMD AI Pro r9700 cards as my workhorses for zimageturbo, qwen tts/asr and other accessory functions and experiments. Finally have a Radeon 6900 XT running qwen3.5 32B at 60+t/s for a fast all arounder. If I buy anything nvidia it will be only fo…

Are the dedicated GPU cards on another machine or you’re using eGPU with the framework?

A separate machine.

Re: Lemonade by AMD: a fast and open source local LLM server using GPU and NPU

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post #80

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I exclusively buy AMD hardware for local inference. For open drivers, power efficiency, and cost AMD beats Nvidia easily for consumers.

Any recommendations in the current market? Love how plug and play and is on Linux from the driver side of things.

Strix Halo 128 w/ linux 7x
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