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Men are ditching TV for YouTube as AI usage and social media fatigue grow

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Re: Men are ditching TV for YouTube as AI usage and social media fatigue grow

#111
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YouTube Premium is the best $10 I spend per month. Nowhere else can I consistently find the sort of niche content that interests me.

i judge ppl who dont have youtube premium as a not curious ppl :D

Video is a terrible learning format for most information. I actually judge people who learn primarily through video as having very low information parsing throughput.

Re: Men are ditching TV for YouTube as AI usage and social media fatigue grow

#112

Youtube is also pretty boring though. I mean, there are ton of interesting content and quality content too, but the stuff that gets recommended, the "hype stuff" is full of false information, clickbait, tweaked reality to conform some narrative...

Imagine this option:

   [x] Turn off recommendations
Or this option:

   [ ] Turn on recommendations
On the internet before YouTube existed, I remember there were no "recommendations" by default. Methods for finding "similar" content existed and were being improved, but it was not assumed that _every_ computer user was _always_ seeking "recommendations", i.e., recommendations by default

One problem with an internet where people expect, accept and rely on "recommendations" from so-called "tech" companies is that it ignores and disincentivises people who know how to search and find good stuff. Often these people want to tell others about, and share, what they find. Before so-called "tech" companies existed, these people could be excellent sources of recommendations. IMHO, they still are

Other HN comments have suggested recommendations should be an exception to Section 230 (cf. publishing user-generated content without commercially-motivated favoritism)

Re: Men are ditching TV for YouTube as AI usage and social media fatigue grow

#113

YouTube Premium is the best $10 I spend per month. Nowhere else can I consistently find the sort of niche content that interests me.

YouTube Premium is the best ~~$11.99~~ ~~$13.00~~ $15.17 I spend per month... I actually don't care that much about YouTube content and it's not a place I go and hang out, but I'll pay just about anything to avoid seeing ads. Yes, I know ad blockers exist, but getting them to work on laptop, phone, Apple TV directly, Apple TV via casting, etc is not easy or even possible in some cases. If I had to guess I watch ~1hr…

Firefox + uBlock Origin on smartphone and desktop = no ads (though I personally prefer Vivaldi on desktop, but for simplicity just recommend Firefox)

SmartTube on Android TV has no ads and skip sponsors

so all you need to remember are two apps FF (+uBO) and SmartTune on TV, you install it once and don't care anymore, comparably difficult with payment for YT

Re: Men are ditching TV for YouTube as AI usage and social media fatigue grow

#114
post #35

Youtube charges $10 per month and doesn't produce a single video. It's an amazing money maker for them and the only media subscription i pay for (to avoid ads on TVs). They should quit it with the Shorts though, nobody likes those

> Youtube charges $10 per month and doesn't produce a single video.

This is like complaining that your fridge takes money to run even though it produces none of the stuffs you put in your fridge. Serving video is enormously expensive especially if you let practically everyone use your platform as permanent storage for videos that will never be watched and will never generate ad revenue. There is a reason why no real competitor to YouTube has emerged and the alternative platforms that do exist target professional content creators even more than YouTube.

> They should quit it with the Shorts though, nobody likes those

No one on this website likes them, sure. The number of likes and comments some of those short videos get suggests that there are enough people who like them for YouTube to keep pushing them. They just don't tend to get very vocal about it on a nerd social media.

Re: Men are ditching TV for YouTube as AI usage and social media fatigue grow

#115

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You can mark a video as not to influence your recommendations or delete it from your YouTube history.

Yes but you have to go and do that. GP was making it sound like GGP was watching crazy uncle videos to make the algorithm do that, when in reality, one errant click will pollute your suggestions unless you know to go and delete it. New prank on someone that left their laptop unlocked. Open YouTube to something they hate and then close it before they get back.

You do need to take care in pruning videos you don't normally watch. Either remove from watch history, mark as not interested, or just thumbs downing the video.

But at least you still have that ability compared to most platforms.

Re: Men are ditching TV for YouTube as AI usage and social media fatigue grow

#116

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I prefer newpipe for $0/mo

I mean it’s just $10. People are making livelihoods based off from YouTube. I get not liking ads, but if you have the option to go ad free for a low cost, why not do it? Do you pay for any of Netflix, Paramount, AppleTV, etc.?

It's a 15 now.

And yes, thars the issue. I pretty much unsubscribed from Disney+, HBO, and Netflix becsuse I can't just have multiple 15 dollar subscriptions add up.

As of now, YouTube, Rider, and Google One are my only subs. And I should really shuffle around space so I can unsub from One.

Re: Men are ditching TV for YouTube as AI usage and social media fatigue grow

#117

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YT is huge, and there is plenty of good stuff. You just need to subscribe to good channels that are not so easy to find. And block the clickbait channels when they appear.

I wish we could collectively move over to some decentralized alternative. Even if we make sure to disable the bad parts, relying on these few actors that have such revenue optimized and enshitification-prone business models does not sit right. Although decentralization by itself does probably not protect from this trap in the long run.

Nothing is really stopping us the consumer. But given that YouTube seems to be the only one in its "medium" (compared to Twitch and TikTok being different formats) that pays creators, it's hard to ask all of them to impact their potential livelihoods.

Nebula as a premium service seems to be the best in terms of paying creators and keeping non-perverse incentives. But Nebula is for very specific kinds of content.

Re: Men are ditching TV for YouTube as AI usage and social media fatigue grow

#118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes but you have to go and do that. GP was making it sound like GGP was watching crazy uncle videos to make the algorithm do that, when in reality, one errant click will pollute your suggestions unless you know to go and delete it. New prank on someone that left their laptop unlocked. Open YouTube to something they hate and then close it before they get back.

You do need to take care in pruning videos you don't normally watch. Either remove from watch history, mark as not interested, or just thumbs downing the video. But at least you still have that ability compared to most platforms.

Isn't the thumbs down only from a third party extension? Does YouTube recommendations pay attention to it?

Re: Men are ditching TV for YouTube as AI usage and social media fatigue grow

#119
post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do need to take care in pruning videos you don't normally watch. Either remove from watch history, mark as not interested, or just thumbs downing the video. But at least you still have that ability compared to most platforms.

Isn't the thumbs down only from a third party extension? Does YouTube recommendations pay attention to it?

You can still thumbs down a video. You don't get any feedback nor metrics from it, but you can still do it.

I haven't paid close attention to the effects, because I don't thumbs down too many videos. But it did feel like I generally don't get that channel as much after thumbing down a video from my recommended feed.

Re: Men are ditching TV for YouTube as AI usage and social media fatigue grow

#120

YouTube Premium is the best $10 I spend per month. Nowhere else can I consistently find the sort of niche content that interests me.

I paid for Youtube Premium. I was still shown ads on embedded youtube videos, and it was changed so that the ads pop up so quick I can click initially and go to the youtube site (where I won't be shown the ads) before the ad starts. I switched to an ad blocker because that was so adversarial on youtube's part in order bypass the 'feature' I paid for.
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