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Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Wow that's lovely. Wish we could do that on HN for a bit.

(Yes, I know, I can install an extension or something to hide LLM/AI submissions. I don't want to, and that's not the same thing, and won't have the same effect.)

I use LLMs, I think they are useful, but oh my sweet jesus I am so tired of reading and hearing about them everywhere.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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I know this snarky, I'm sorry ahead of time. But I don't know how else to make this point... The fact that the people running r/progamming don't know not to wait until April 2 to publish this tells me that they don't have real-world experience in shipping software in a business environment. We are SO past the point of software being developed without LLMs at _all_, the trend line is never going to reverse. I don't un…

I know LLM generated code comes with it's own challenges, but the absolutists are definitely clinging to a time that has passed. I saw a recent discussion on Immich where a maintainer flatout denied a PR saying "That diff looks LLM-generated to me; is that indeed the case? If so, we'd prefer not to receive a PR for it" The PR was from a professional software engineer, who worked weeks of his free time on a big feature. Well structured + tested. Dismissed just because AI was used. https://github.com/immich-app/immich/discussions/23745#discu...

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

#113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check a larger thread. It is pretty clear since there are people doing nothing to hide the writing style.

> Check a larger thread. It is pretty clear It tends to get downvoted and flagged.

I got a pretty interesting ai detection demo run through historic HN data, would love to see if HN could make use of this tech for HN. But i have no clue how to reach out or who might be a contact here.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

#114

Seems a lot of commenters here dislike their decision, I like it though. LLM-generated projects, articles, blogs are low-effort products lacking authenticity. And the discussion on LLM itself can in the long run be fairly tiring, follow r/LocalLLaMA for a while and you'll see what I mean. But if you are really into LLMs though, that sub is great. It is simply not fun to go on to a subreddit, seeing 90% being projects…

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Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

#116
post #44

I know this snarky, I'm sorry ahead of time. But I don't know how else to make this point... The fact that the people running r/progamming don't know not to wait until April 2 to publish this tells me that they don't have real-world experience in shipping software in a business environment. We are SO past the point of software being developed without LLMs at _all_, the trend line is never going to reverse. I don't un…

I know LLM generated code comes with it's own challenges, but the absolutists are definitely clinging to a time that has passed. I saw a recent discussion on Immich where a maintainer flatout denied a PR saying "That diff looks LLM-generated to me; is that indeed the case? If so, we'd prefer not to receive a PR for it" The PR was from a professional software engineer, who worked weeks of his free time on a big featur…

"Well structured + tested". Who would know? The diff is almost 200k changed lines. Good on them for saying no to this nonsense.

There's a good chance the actual needed implementation is less than 20k lines (I've found that LLM bloat grows exponentially), but even that's a stretch to review and accept wholesale.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

#117
post #44

I know this snarky, I'm sorry ahead of time. But I don't know how else to make this point... The fact that the people running r/progamming don't know not to wait until April 2 to publish this tells me that they don't have real-world experience in shipping software in a business environment. We are SO past the point of software being developed without LLMs at _all_, the trend line is never going to reverse. I don't un…

> The fact that the people running r/progamming don't know not to wait until April 2 to publish this tells me that they don't have real-world experience in shipping software in a business environment.

I can't tell this is a joke or not. Do people really care? Or maybe the U.S. thing? At least in my country nobody cares....

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have yet to run into any serious project in the wild that is using LLMs for development. I have seen vibecoded intern prototypes that took half a day to vet and dismiss because they were completely useless. I'm sure your experience is different, but you can't _seriously_ claim we're "past the point" of not using LLMs for programming. Vibecoding is a fundamentally different kind of activity than actual programming.…

> I have yet to run into any serious project in the wild that is using LLMs for development. How about Claude Code? 100% of it was vibe-coded according to its creator.[1] Google and Microsoft also claim a lot of their internal code is AI-generated now. [2] [3] Naturally, none of the big tech companies will just release a pure vibe-coded project due to structural reasons, but you also _seriously_ can't claim that seri…

> How about Claude Code? 100% of it was vibe-coded according to its creator.

Agents are trivial to make. I don't know whether that means they're not "serious", but it's exactly the type of thing you can make yourself in a very short time, and exactly the type of thing even LLMs can't fuck up too bad.

With regards to the overall point, I think the existence of projects using LLMs to do development doesn't really lend credence to the idea that they're somehow preferable or desirable. People tend to use hyped things, imagine they're useful even when presented with evidence to the contrary, and generally be very resistant to sobering realities.

It took years before people stopped running hadoop clusters to do things that a single linux box could get done 10x faster with some basic pipes. I'm sure there are still people who have "serverless backends" that work terribly in every regard in comparison to literally just a linux VM somewhere. People in software development tend to find these types of things every once in a while and adopt them wholesale.

This cycle is helped by the fact that the field has been growing constantly and a lot of the adoption comes from kids who don't know any better. Every piece of shit technology that comes and goes has meat for the grinder coming straight out of university.

Would I put LLMs in the same category as these previous (nearly) useless things? Probably not... But you should never trust peoples' perception of usefulness when it comes to almost anything in software development.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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post #62
post #44

I know this snarky, I'm sorry ahead of time. But I don't know how else to make this point... The fact that the people running r/progamming don't know not to wait until April 2 to publish this tells me that they don't have real-world experience in shipping software in a business environment. We are SO past the point of software being developed without LLMs at _all_, the trend line is never going to reverse. I don't un…

I have yet to run into any serious project in the wild that is using LLMs for development. I have seen vibecoded intern prototypes that took half a day to vet and dismiss because they were completely useless. I'm sure your experience is different, but you can't _seriously_ claim we're "past the point" of not using LLMs for programming. Vibecoding is a fundamentally different kind of activity than actual programming.…

What do you consider "serious", as that seems to be the main differentiator here. I know plenty of serious (multiple years of development and users, and began prior to LLMs) projects that have devs using LLMs for development.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

#120

There’s something off about Reddit. Either I grew up or it became hollow from within. Just angry people scolding each other all the time. There are some true gems however but usually in smaller focused subreddits.

Yeah, the smaller subreddits are good. The problem is it’s basically killed off alternative forums. I never thought I’d miss vBulletin so much.

somethingaweful forums are still very much alive
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