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Re: IPv6 address, as a sentence you can remember

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

RiverCrochet wrote: post #110
userbinator wrote: post #53

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Good luck when you're trying to troubleshoot and DNS not working is one of the symptoms. 8.8.8.8 and 4.2.2.x are easy to remember.

OK, so use the IPv6 endpoints? Write them down if you have to use them that much? - 2001:4860:4860::8888 - 2001:4860:4860::8844 If you hate typing that much, computers may not be for you.

I really don't think 2001:4860:4860::8888 is as easy to remember as 8.8.8.8, no.

> If you hate typing that much, computers may not be for you.

Nobody said anything about typing?

Re: IPv6 address, as a sentence you can remember

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Post by School-Cotton »

apitman wrote: post #108
School-Cotton wrote: post #41

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It’s not flat: https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html You have to take into account seasonal trends. The summer is always higher, so yes, we’re currently below last summer, but we are above last April 1st, and this summer will be higher than last summer.

It looks flat to me since July of last year. Regardless, when you extrapolate that curve, when do you estimate hitting 100%?

> It looks flat to me since July of last year.

That was the entire point of my comment.

You can’t compare fall winter and spring to last July. You have to compare last July to this July, which hasn’t happened yet, but when it does, it will be higher than last July. Today (April) is higher than last April.

The reason for this is that more people are on mobile connections during the summer (kids home from school) so the summer (as well as the Christmas/new year week) are the highest points of the year.

The fact that it’s “flat” since last July, the high season, means it’s actually still increasing.

> Regardless, when you extrapolate that curve, when do you estimate hitting 100%?

Never? But what’s your point? IPv6 is a failure if it only replaces IPv4 for 99% of traffic?

Re: IPv6 address, as a sentence you can remember

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Post by hbogert »

anonym29 wrote: post #102
hbogert wrote: post #73

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I don't have your problems with ipv6, and I'm actively using it. I don't have to rely on extra commercial entities to be able to reach my network. I did have a problem with hosting my own shit because my ISP by default does cgnat. That cost me an hour of my life to convince a party to give what used to be normal, end to end connectivity.

The tailscale client and the headscale server are both open source, you don't need to rely on commercial entities.

yes you do, the control plane is closed. Only reverse engineered by the headscale project. The control plane is necessary for the peers to find each other. If you need to rely on such a crucial part being reverse-engineered, than yes, I think it's fair to say you are ultimately relying on commercial entities.

Re: IPv6 address, as a sentence you can remember

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Post by icedchai »

iknowstuff wrote: post #18
idiotsecant wrote: post #16

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Yet another reason why ipv6 will never happen

it already happened. also I sure as hell dont remember my ipv4 address

I remember almost all of mine, including /24 and /16 blocks from several former employers!

Re: IPv6 address, as a sentence you can remember

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Post by anonym29 »

hbogert wrote: post #113
anonym29 wrote: post #102

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The tailscale client and the headscale server are both open source, you don't need to rely on commercial entities.

yes you do, the control plane is closed. Only reverse engineered by the headscale project. The control plane is necessary for the peers to find each other. If you need to rely on such a crucial part being reverse-engineered, than yes, I think it's fair to say you are ultimately relying on commercial entities.

Headscale is open source and it already works. You don't need to rely on anyone to use it, or even to improve it.

Re: IPv6 address, as a sentence you can remember

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Post by Saris »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #6

If you're remembering your IPv6 address you're doing IPv6 wrong. In fact, it's good practice to always use a temporary IPv6 address. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8981#name-problem-s...

... How do you connect to another PC on your network? Always use DNS or something?

Re: IPv6 address, as a sentence you can remember

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Post by eqvinox »

Saris wrote: post #116
1970-01-01 wrote: post #6

If you're remembering your IPv6 address you're doing IPv6 wrong. In fact, it's good practice to always use a temporary IPv6 address. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8981#name-problem-s...

... How do you connect to another PC on your network? Always use DNS or something?

> Always use DNS or something?

Yes. mDNS if we're talking about home networks.

Re: IPv6 address, as a sentence you can remember

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Post by M95D »

vel0city wrote: post #105
gzread wrote: post #98

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Oh yes, that's really convenient for home users. "Install this thing on several computers and keep it in sync or you're not qualified to have a network"

Home users would ideally be served by things like mDNS and LLMNR, which should just work in the background. If I want to connect to the thermostat I should be able to just go to http://honeywell-thermostat and have it work. If I want to connect to the printer it should just be ipp://brother and I shouldn't even need to have a DNS server.

And if DNS fails, I have to use a serial console to get into my router and fix it, because I can't remember what address to type in ssh?

Re: IPv6 address, as a sentence you can remember

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Post by M95D »

apitman wrote: post #109
anonym29 wrote: post #45

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Adding two extra bits to each octet, making each octet range from a still memorable 0-1023 rather than 0-255, would result in an addressing scheme 256x larger than all of IPv4 combined. The entire internet works fine even when IPv4 was nominally exhausted. NAT and CGNAT are not sins, they're not crimes, and there's no rational reason to be as disgusted with them as IPv6 fans are. Even then, IPv4 exhaustion wasn't rea…

I disagree wrt NAT. It creates huge problems for many p2p applications.

I wouldn't call port forwarding "huge problems". It's only one minor router setting and if you don't want to deal with it, there's the abomination called upnp.

Re: IPv6 address, as a sentence you can remember

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Post by simonra »

anonym29 wrote: post #103
simonra wrote: post #81

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Wouldn't easy and accessible self-hosting be a major privacy win if that's your primary concern? Sounds much more private to run a Minecraft and Mumble server on an old laptop in a friend group than paying a commercial entity like a hosting provider to know about it and have a back door.

Easy and accessible self hosting isn't the primary concern. It's much more private and secure to run that Minecraft or Mumble server on an encrypted overlay network like via headscale + tailscale rather than exposing both services directly to the entire planet. But again, the primary concern was only ever address space.

What I tried to express was privacy being the primary concern. The easy and accessible self-hosting on old hardware would be the uses of a home network beyond superficialities like consumption and commerce. Privacy wise headscale as a solution is still not quite there, because it either necessitates an additional third party to host the headscale server and know about all my friends, or jank like dynDNS.

The additional security gained by getting everyone involved to set up and configure separate VPNs for different community utilities is not worth it.

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