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It's a little wrong. It's probably going to replace middle class jobs more than the jobs of the poor.
The middle class is poor now.
Yep. The middle class is quickly disappearing.
A Eulogy for Vim
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Re: A Eulogy for Vim
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't disagree with the general notion of your sentiment. I just wish there was less dragging Stallman's dick behavior into the mix of Emacs-related discourse. Which doesn't happen a lot, still would be ideal if it didn't happen at all.
Stallman deserves to be criticized for his own positions. And the emacs community deserves the right to call him out to distance ourselves from them.
Sure, but that doesn't address GP's argument, which I _think_ is "there's a time and a place for those criticisms, and _literally every time emacs is brought up in a public forum_ ain't it"
Re: A Eulogy for Vim
#113I'm experiencing something similar with another piece of software. ledger-cli is a boring, dependable accounting application. The next release will be the first where the majority of commits will be made by AI, and it has definitely not gone smoothly. After a dozen or so bug reports, it's mostly in a working state, but I worry the output is no longer reliable in subtle ways.
I think apps like this are the real risk. Who is going to get in trouble because vim* has a bug from AI generated code? Errors in your accounting software can get you into audit/compliance trouble.
Re: A Eulogy for Vim
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
I fear you are the one who does not understand what that is saying. "The trafficked person did not reveal they were being trafficked, because they were trapped on an island with their abuser and were afraid". This is not blaming the victim, nor a defense of the abuser.
In statutory child rape, it does not matter in any way or any context what the behavior of the victim was.
Sure, yes, we agree crimes were committed. By Epstein and Minsky.
The statements that Stallman made about the nature of those crimes, were not what you claim they are.
Re: A Eulogy for Vim
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
He's saying that Marvin Minsk might not have known that he was on pedo entrapment island and may have assumed a teenage girl was of age. Telling the entrapment targets the deal up front wouldn't be very smart. This is not blaming the girls, it was Epstein's setup.
"I thought she was not a child" is never a defense for raping a child.
Legally, no, you are right.
When third parties are discussing the crime, "the person who committed the crime may not have known they were committing a crime" is a valid, reasonable thing for a person to say as part of a discussion.
Doing so is not a defense of the person who trafficked the child to be raped.
Re: A Eulogy for Vim
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
> defense of Jeffrey Epstein himself Do you have a link for this? What I recall of that whole scenario was that Stallman said something fairly minor regarding Minsky, and the nuance of the words written were lost on the mob and he was accused of saying something worse than that. I'm not aware of him providing any defense of Epstein himself.
victim blaming is categorically defense of the actual perpetrator.
Sure. So if victim blaming had happened, then that would be a defense of the perpetrator.
But it didn't, so it isn't.
Re: A Eulogy for Vim
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
"argued in an email thread last week that Marvin Minskey, the late AI pioneer and longtime MIT professor, was unfairly accused of sexual assault and that one of the underage girls in Epstein’s sex trafficking operation likely presented herself as “entirely” willing to have sex" MIT scientist Richard Stallman resigns in the wake of his Jeffrey Epstein remarks https://share.google/L9w5zAnDjbvnrWhex
Yes, that is the Minsky comment I mentioned that apparently renders people illiterate and incapable of understanding what they read. What Stallman said is "the people who were trafficked, probably did not tell the people they were trafficked to, that they were being trafficked and were there unwillingly." I don't see how saying that is a "defense of Jeffrey Epstein".
"Many years ago I posted that I could not see anything wrong about sex between an adult and a child, if the child accepted it.
Through personal conversations in recent years, I’ve learned to understand how sex with a child can harm per1 psychologically. This changed my mind about the matter: I think adults should not do that. I am grateful for the conversations that enabled me to understand why.
Children: Humans up to age 12 or 13 are children. After that, they become adolescents or teenagers. Let’s resist the practice of infantilizing teenagers, by not calling them “children”."
THESE ARE THE WORDS RICHARD STALLMAN POSTED ON HIS OWN WEBSITE WITHOUT BEING PROMPTED.
please defend this. i really really want to see you stoop this low.
EDIT: OKAY i'm being DOWNVOTED for bringing these words to light. officially y'all are now covering up for child sex criminals. Sickening.
Re: A Eulogy for Vim
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "People are seeing something I'm not, what am I missing?" I've seen people celebrate horrors beyond my comprehension. Cheer the deaths of innocent people because it may inch some abstract national goal closer to a similarly abstract measurement. Insist that lives in one place are worth less than lives in another. Should I ask "what am I missing"? I don't think so, sometimes you draw a line on moral or ethical groun…
This unpersuasive moralizing demonstrates the blindspot GP is talking about. You invent a moral/ethical line because you can't find a good line. using gpt is like bombing schools?
I think they may be referring to the story about how the US bombed an Iranian school on the dirst day of the war due to data sourced from an LLM.
Re: A Eulogy for Vim
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well I think he’s taken a moral stance against AI, so it doesn’t matter to him if other people find it useful.
Right, a difference of opinion, which is fine, OK and even good. But why paint it as "Obviously the rest of you aren't smart enough to understand" instead of "Other's disagree", seems really strange (although in-character).
Don't put thing in quotes if they're not actual quotes. Especially not if you mischaracterize the article.
Re: A Eulogy for Vim
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why should he should say something he doesn't believe? We don't have to agree with him.
> I think it’s more important that we stop collectively pretending that we don’t understand how awful all of this is Would be very different from say: > I'd like to understand people who don't see it the same way as me, that it's mostly awful and not good. Or similar, rather than "I'm right, everyone else don't understand it properly". Very HN-esque, but oh so tiring after 100s of articles in the exactly same vein fr…
Not everything needs to be looked at from "both sides".
Drew is correct, the impact of generative "AI" on society is overwhelmingly negative.