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Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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post #73

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Opera is called Vivaldi now.

It's a cool idea, but major bugs are being introduced and then ignored. Virtually unusable and I would not recommend it.

Not my experience with Vivaldi even remotely.

Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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post #66

I have fond memories of Opera. When I migrated off of it to Phoenix, I had a really hard time adjusting to not having mouse gestures. I didn’t know how anyone lived without them. By the time extensions came around to mimic Opera’s mouse gestures on other browsers, I could never get used to actually using them again. I was sad to see Opera become just another incarnation of Chrome.

Opera 12 was so good, so fast, on ANY hardware, so innovative, so quirky. When Opera became Chrome-based, I moved to Firefox. I just don’t want Google spyware on my computer.

It's based on Chromium, not Chrome.

Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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post #93
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a cool idea, but major bugs are being introduced and then ignored. Virtually unusable and I would not recommend it.

I literally can't function on the web without Vivaldi, for me it's the only usable desktop browser. What problems have you encountered?

Switching tabs doesn't work like you would expect in Opera for example. The order of tabs gets shuffled randomly. It's completely broken. I downgraded to a version where it had worked, stuck with that for a while. When I complained about it people usually say "just use it like chrome where you can't switch tabs properly anyway lol". It was reported with the precise version that broke it. Vivaldi team asked maybe twice on social media, but then it was just tumbleweeds. It's 100% reproducible with a clean install, on both windows and osx. I gave up and preach for people to just stay away from that browser.

Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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post #115
post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I literally can't function on the web without Vivaldi, for me it's the only usable desktop browser. What problems have you encountered?

Switching tabs doesn't work like you would expect in Opera for example. The order of tabs gets shuffled randomly. It's completely broken. I downgraded to a version where it had worked, stuck with that for a while. When I complained about it people usually say "just use it like chrome where you can't switch tabs properly anyway lol". It was reported with the precise version that broke it. Vivaldi team asked maybe twic…

Is this what you're talking about? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1XoTNV1qFY

Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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post #107

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Whataboutism (doesn't matter if another entity does it - if it's wrong, then pointing out another entity doing it is fallacious), redirection, and false dichotomy (you can care about the US and China doing it - for all you know the parent poster was in the EU and does care about both). Nobody mentioned the US upstream of your comment until you did. This is obvious propaganda - one of the classic maneuvers in the PRC…

> Nobody mentioned the US upstream of your comment until you did. No, because programs sending telemetry to the US is so routine that and pervasive that we don't even remark on it. > This is obvious propaganda Now who's committing a whole catalogue of fallacies?

> No, because programs sending telemetry to the US is so routine that and pervasive that we don't even remark on it.

That's not a valid reason. Nice try, though.

> Now who's committing a whole catalogue of fallacies?

Calling a fallacious and manipulative comment that literally follows a country's propaganda playbook "propaganda" isn't a fallacy - it's just true.

It's extremely telling that you didn't comment on any of the actual points that I made, such as it being a false dichotomy and whataboutism - because you know that I'm right, and so you had to resort to insinuations and redirections yourself. Congratulations, you just proved me right.

Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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I have fond memories of Opera. When I migrated off of it to Phoenix, I had a really hard time adjusting to not having mouse gestures. I didn’t know how anyone lived without them. By the time extensions came around to mimic Opera’s mouse gestures on other browsers, I could never get used to actually using them again. I was sad to see Opera become just another incarnation of Chrome.

Opera is called Vivaldi now.

Vivaldi is the new Opera (literally same founder), but Opera still exists as Chinese spyware.

Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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Vivaldi is it's rightful heir https://vivaldi.com/

I would follow that Vivaldi team to the ends of the Earth, as nobody ever made a better browser in my opinion then they did with those last versions of Opera before they had to sell (versions 11 or 12 I want to say). But for one thing, which is that Vivaldi is unfortunately also a Chromium based browser. Which means among other things that they didn't have the capacity to sustain manifest v2 while Google pushed the b…

> Which means among other things that they didn't have the capacity to sustain manifest v2 while Google pushed the browser into v3.

No but they did build an ad-blocker right into the browser so the main reason people were against the change doesn't really matter any more.

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