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American aviation is near collapse?

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Re: American aviation is near collapse?

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Post by kyralis »

hagbard_c wrote: post #100
kyralis wrote: post #81

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You're making a claim about it - twice now - that you haven't actually yet justified by any data. I'm suggesting there are, in fact, alternate explanations.

Well no, you're the one who makes unfounded claims. Show how DEI makes things better, please. Don't start redefining the term, just show how selecting people based on inalienable characteristics instead of competence improves the outcome.

I haven't yet made a single claim. I've asked a question about alternative hypotheses. For instance, that DEI initiatives allow qualified candidates who otherwise would have been overlooked to achieve positions they otherwise might not.

You are asserting that DEI means that unqualified individuals are being put into positions from which they should have been excluded. That is a statement for which you have yet to provide any proof.

Re: American aviation is near collapse?

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Post by exe34 »

hagbard_c wrote: post #106
exe34 wrote: post #102

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you need to show how excluding people on the basis of skin colour makes things better.

Who is talking about skin colour here? I haven't mentioned this term a single time, instead I purposefully use the term inalienable characteristics because that covers more than just skin tone. You're the one talking about excluding people based on skin colour, not me. That is after all what DEI ends up being: exclude those who are considered to be non-marginalised (in practice white and east-Asian, heterosexual, men…

Oh yes, racial equality has famously been achieved in the US...

Re: American aviation is near collapse?

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Post by hagbard_c »

exe34 wrote: post #112
hagbard_c wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is talking about skin colour here? I haven't mentioned this term a single time, instead I purposefully use the term inalienable characteristics because that covers more than just skin tone. You're the one talking about excluding people based on skin colour, not me. That is after all what DEI ends up being: exclude those who are considered to be non-marginalised (in practice white and east-Asian, heterosexual, men…

Oh yes, racial equality has famously been achieved in the US...

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others

Read that book. If it is too long read a summary [1]. Learn.

No, it has not. Neither does it make sense to reduce the level of equality, hence the need to get rid of DEI and similar constructs.

[1] https://literarydevices.net/animal-farm/

Re: American aviation is near collapse?

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Post by exe34 »

hagbard_c wrote: post #113
exe34 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh yes, racial equality has famously been achieved in the US...

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others Read that book. If it is too long read a summary [1]. Learn. No, it has not. Neither does it make sense to reduce the level of equality, hence the need to get rid of DEI and similar constructs. [1] https://literarydevices.net/animal-farm/

it's impressive how you managed to read that book and completely miss the point.

Re: American aviation is near collapse?

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Post by hagbard_c »

exe34 wrote: post #114
hagbard_c wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others Read that book. If it is too long read a summary [1]. Learn. No, it has not. Neither does it make sense to reduce the level of equality, hence the need to get rid of DEI and similar constructs. [1] https://literarydevices.net/animal-farm/

it's impressive how you managed to read that book and completely miss the point.

May I suggest you read it again, carefully?

Re: American aviation is near collapse?

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Post by trimethylpurine »

ndiddy wrote: post #98
array_key_first wrote: post #85

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Yes, there is a legal scheme in place: you're not allowed to validate the authenticity of provided documentation as a company. If someone is undocumented, they can forge documents and that's completely allowed. The reason we have this loophole is because many industries, particularly in the South, rely directly on immigrant labor. The republicans cannot risk alienating their consistency or further hurting the already…

> The reason we have this loophole is because many industries, particularly in the South, rely directly on immigrant labor. The republicans cannot risk alienating their consistency or further hurting the already brittle economy of Red states. One example of this playing out was when the Florida state senate (Republican supermajority) shot down a bill that would have required businesses to use E-Verify to validate the…

This is state level additional verification. It doesn't have any bearing on federal law.

I can see why they don't want to go above and beyond federal law on this, if I'm interpreting correctly. It looks like a person, not the company, can already serve 5 years if they even mistakenly hire without work authorization. What additional deterrents do you really need?

Whether that's enforced is another thing. Most probably it's not because federal attorneys are paid in peanuts so no one wants to be one unless they are doing it to be noticed by a big firm.

But, I'm not an attorney. So if you are, let us know what I've missed.

Re: American aviation is near collapse?

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Post by trimethylpurine »

array_key_first wrote: post #85
trimethylpurine wrote: post #47

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I thought the policy is that you can't hire without documentation. Do you mean that there is a scheme in place, outside of the legal framework?

Yes, there is a legal scheme in place: you're not allowed to validate the authenticity of provided documentation as a company. If someone is undocumented, they can forge documents and that's completely allowed. The reason we have this loophole is because many industries, particularly in the South, rely directly on immigrant labor. The republicans cannot risk alienating their consistency or further hurting the already…

18 U.S.C. § 1546

When I read that it looks like you're not only allowed to check, you're required to, and you can serve time in federal prison if you get it wrong.

Again, I'm not an attorney, so I might be wrong. But it doesn't seem like a loophole despite the many claims I'm seeing.

I'd like to look into it. Is the loophole idea coming from an article written by an attorney? Can you link to it if so?

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