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Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by debo_ »

ericmay wrote: post #67
flyinglizard wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's it? Momentary gasoline price is all that matters now? Not geopolitical interests, alliances, _Doing The Right Thing_? If that's the only angle you care about, then US subduing the Iranian regime would go a long way to de-facto dissolving OPEC and bring much more flexibility to oil prices.

Plus if gas prices rise more people might switch to EVs, drive less often, and/or hopefully begin to understand the fragility of our car-only infrastructure and mandatory car ownership and demand better urban planning and transportation options.

We had a version of this called "carbon pricing" that didn't involve wanton murder.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by 10xDev »

malfist wrote: post #88
flyinglizard wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's it? Momentary gasoline price is all that matters now? Not geopolitical interests, alliances, _Doing The Right Thing_? If that's the only angle you care about, then US subduing the Iranian regime would go a long way to de-facto dissolving OPEC and bring much more flexibility to oil prices.

What part of "doing the right thing" is bombing an all girls school?

A double tap strike as well. Definitely no mistake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Minab_school_attack

Edit: *triple tap.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by lukan »

flyinglizard wrote: post #91
malfist wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What part of "doing the right thing" is bombing an all girls school?

Do you think some evil military planners sat in the Pentagon, saw that school, said "let's shoot at it for shits and giggles" and pressed the button? Or are you trying to pollute a grown up conversation with sensationalism and punchy hooks? In reality someone made a mistake. It can happen. It should be investigated. It should not deter from achieving the military objectives.

Yes, mistakes can happen.

But when you use autonomous targeting systems (with "human oversight" in theory) and tell your soldiers:

"no stupid rules of engagement,” “no politically correct wars,” and “no nation-building quagmire.” (Hegseth)

And the top commander says that he would intentionally kill the families of terrorists if voted into power:

https://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-ter...

Then at some point I do not believe the term "mistake" is appropriate here.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by RealityVoid »

adwn wrote: post #109
flyinglizard wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the outset, he doesn't want to carry the burden of NATO alone. Maybe he has other strategic interests in mind where US deviates from the rest of the world (like Greenland) but he's entirely right that NATO really depends on the US. Trump's attitude towards NATO member state spend it widely publicized [0] so I don't think there's much to debate here. Trump wanted member states to spend more, not less. He was somewh…

> it forced US to spend huge amounts of money and military hardware which the EU simply didn't have - Europe's monetary aid for Ukraine far outweighs that of the US. - The US military aid for Ukraine mostly consisted of old and obsolete hardware. - Since about a year or so, all weapons and munitions delivered by the US are paid for by Europe.

> - Since about a year or so, all weapons and munitions delivered by the US are paid for by Europe.

Huh, I wonder what happened a year or so ago? What could have led to the US cutting off so much support? /s

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by jurgenburgen »

flyinglizard wrote: post #76
lukan wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, now worries, I can take my bicycle or train whenever possible (like right now). And since I am european, I do not just worry about gasoline, but also that the US actually might attack us at some point, Trump did threaten again over greenland and the last time - it was not just words, danish troops took it serious and were ready to shoot. " https://www.euractiv.com/news/denmark-considered-destroying-... " Unpleasa…

Since WWII you're living under the umbrella of the US, as client states. There was no reason Europe could not amass a significant military power that would grant its sovereignty, but money went to increasing quality of life instead. Trump the 45th even implored EU to do so and bolster NATO.

> Since WWII you're living under the umbrella of the US, as client states. There was no reason Europe could not amass a significant military power that would grant its sovereignty, but money went to increasing quality of life instead. Trump the 45th even implored EU to do so and bolster NATO.

Problem is that Trump wants to eat the cake and have it too. If we’re no longer being protected by the US then US companies should not expect preferential laws and access to the EU market.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by galactus »

flyinglizard wrote: post #91
malfist wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What part of "doing the right thing" is bombing an all girls school?

Do you think some evil military planners sat in the Pentagon, saw that school, said "let's shoot at it for shits and giggles" and pressed the button? Or are you trying to pollute a grown up conversation with sensationalism and punchy hooks? In reality someone made a mistake. It can happen. It should be investigated. It should not deter from achieving the military objectives.

I think that if you start an unjustified war of agression against a country and you kill 150 children, you should be held responsible

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by CapitalistCartr »

flyinglizard wrote: post #62
lukan wrote: post #48

Ok, I did win. Do I get cheaper gasoline now?

That's it? Momentary gasoline price is all that matters now? Not geopolitical interests, alliances, _Doing The Right Thing_? If that's the only angle you care about, then US subduing the Iranian regime would go a long way to de-facto dissolving OPEC and bring much more flexibility to oil prices.

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Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by hakrgrl »

How about you make an app about "winning" that involves flying a cargo plane loaded with so much cash to Iranian Islamists that it struggles to stay aloft. Because that was the strategy before Trump and it led to terror tunnels, terror proxies, and weapons grade nuclear enrichment.

Edit: For the record this actually happened 10 years ago under Obama.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/politics/us-sends-plane-iran-...

> Washington CNN — The Obama administration secretly arranged a plane delivery of $400 million in cash on the same day Iran released four American prisoners and formally implemented the nuclear deal, US officials confirmed Wednesday.

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