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Not harsh enough. They belong in the special level of hell reserved for child molesters and people who talk in the theatre.
Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights
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Re: Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights
#112Is this really a thing?!? Blasting the others with unwanted noise. I never been in a flight, or train across Europe where passengers showed just lack of respect for the others. The only ones pumping anything loud, on trains or busses, usually get quickly pointed down by other passengers, personal or security. Ah, and then there are the rebellious kids or gangs, as the other exception, which usually don't take flights…
My experience is the opposite. People blast music or other sounds on flights all the time.
In Europe it's also very common to smoke in public, including beaches, restaurants, areas around building entrances. Literring is also very common.
Even Switzerland is dirty because cigarette buts are everywhere. It's just that some % of the population are inconsiderate assholes and only heavy enforcement works vs than. Unfortunately this is something our current society is not willing to do.
Re: Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights
#113Is this really a thing?!? Blasting the others with unwanted noise. I never been in a flight, or train across Europe where passengers showed just lack of respect for the others. The only ones pumping anything loud, on trains or busses, usually get quickly pointed down by other passengers, personal or security. Ah, and then there are the rebellious kids or gangs, as the other exception, which usually don't take flights…
It is - there are three groups of people that do this generally the completely self absorbed, people from places where it’s culturally acceptable, and people that like the feeling of empowerment that comes from inconveniencing others (the same people that will walk out into traffic with no light / crosswalk)
How is walking over a road without a light inconveniencing anyone? I’ll cross the road when it’s clear. I don’t blast music in public places though.
Re: Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights
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Harsh, but fair.
Now explain why it wouldn’t also be fair to kick people off that were loudly emitting disgusting flatulence. Is it because they “might” not have control over it? Can I not claim I also “might” not have the control over my impulsive desire to listen to music or that I can’t use headphones for a medical issue?
I mean such a thing I would say equally detracts from the flying experience, so why not also kick those people off?
Edit: not sure why I’m getting downvoted, this is a legitimate question. I genuinely want to hear the justification.
Re: Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pretty sure on planes this is more ignorance than malice. It’s self absorbed people that are too selfish to consider someone else might not want to hear what they’re watching, rather than some deliberate anti society thing. Regardless, no punishment is too harsh, this should be considered the equivalent of lighting up a cigarette on a plane.
The idea someone doesn’t know they bothering everyone around them is absurd. It is 100% malice.
A lot of people don’t get a lot of things; you know the adage about stupidity being a more likely cause than malice. Just last week I had to explain to a grown adult why spitting on the sauna floor was disgusting and rude to the other gym members. He was shocked.
Re: Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It’s so disrespectful to those looking for a peaceful place Idk, they’re not looking for “a peaceful place” and are using a public space without damaging it. Nobody is forced to use the park at the same time as them. This seems like a difference in preferences which is fine.
That same line of reasoning could apply to music on planes. No one really needs to use a particular airline at a particular time or use a public park at any given time. It ceases to be a public place if a small group of people can de facto monopolize it by making it unpleasant for most other people to be there. James Q. Wilson talked about this problem a long time ago... and why standard neighborhood shaming cannot r…
> same line of reasoning could apply to music on planes
You can’t leave a plane. And planes aren’t for recreation. I like quiet parks. But parks aren’t some natural creation, they’re entirely manmade. I’m okay with other people having different thoughts on how to recreate.
> Maybe there is an increasingly different set of norms among different generations
Older people have been complaining about kids with boomboxes and skateboards for generations.
Re: Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is - there are three groups of people that do this generally the completely self absorbed, people from places where it’s culturally acceptable, and people that like the feeling of empowerment that comes from inconveniencing others (the same people that will walk out into traffic with no light / crosswalk)
How is walking over a road without a light inconveniencing anyone? I’ll cross the road when it’s clear. I don’t blast music in public places though.
> How is walking over a road without a light inconveniencing anyone?
They said “walk out into traffic.” That’s rude. You should wait for a signal or a break in the flow so nobody has to brake for you.
Re: Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pretty sure on planes this is more ignorance than malice. It’s self absorbed people that are too selfish to consider someone else might not want to hear what they’re watching, rather than some deliberate anti society thing. Regardless, no punishment is too harsh, this should be considered the equivalent of lighting up a cigarette on a plane.
Another angle is kids who have been given a tablet as a pacifier. Their parents are often on autopilot, having checked out months or years earlier. On topic (and discussed already on HN): https://github.com/Pankajtanwarbanna/stfu
I'm not a fan of the tablet as a pacifier approach but it's not my business. What is my business is when the parents do so without providing a way for the child to indulge without annoying everybody else. I consider that to be absolutely unacceptable in that if they can afford a tablet they can afford cheap headphones.
Re: Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pretty sure on planes this is more ignorance than malice. It’s self absorbed people that are too selfish to consider someone else might not want to hear what they’re watching, rather than some deliberate anti society thing. Regardless, no punishment is too harsh, this should be considered the equivalent of lighting up a cigarette on a plane.
The idea someone doesn’t know they bothering everyone around them is absurd. It is 100% malice.
Sorry to disagree -- stupidity and self-centeredness have a plan in that too.
Re: Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights
#120Is this really a thing?!? Blasting the others with unwanted noise. I never been in a flight, or train across Europe where passengers showed just lack of respect for the others. The only ones pumping anything loud, on trains or busses, usually get quickly pointed down by other passengers, personal or security. Ah, and then there are the rebellious kids or gangs, as the other exception, which usually don't take flights…
In America, a small number of people derive pleasure from being disruptive to everybody, and blasting music on public transit with captive audiences is a very "traditional" way of fucking with people and expressing your broad contempt for their society. I'd estimate that maybe one in five times you get on a city bus in America, you'll encounter somebody like this. Very rarely does anybody call them out or otherwise t…
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