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Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by GIFtheory »

jmyeet wrote: post #87
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Xi is the first President/leader China has had who literally never worked another job outside of politics and doesn’t speak a foreign language. They gave him a degree in chemical engineering when the universities re-opened after the cultural revolution but he never even had to pretend to use it. Hu, Jiang, and Deng actually worked as engineers and spoke languages besides Chinese (Russian and/or English). Despite all…

Xi is a fascinating figure. I had real concerns when he pushed through repealing term limits. I thought this could be another Putin but that hasn't been the case. First, he's had a real anti-corruption push that seems to be meaningful and seems to apply to senior government officials and the wealthy (eg Jack Ma). Second, real estate speculation was rampant in China for years but Xi quietly popped the bubble more than…

> First, he's had a real anti-corruption push that seems to be meaningful and seems to apply to senior government officials and the wealthy (eg Jack Ma).

Uh, interesting take… I think many would say he was silenced/disappeared by the CCP for daring to openly speak against it.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by ufmace »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #68
ck2 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Biden’s banning them was not a good decision IMO. At the same time, he was encouraging domestics manufacturers to start building their own EVs out, which opened up the possibility of unbanning, with reasonable import duties, once the American companies were competitive. However, right now we are pushing American companies to go in the opposite direction and dismantle their EV efforts.

Do you know how we are "pushing American companies to go in the opposite direction"? Genuine question. The only thing I know of is repealing the tax credits.

Personally, I think EVs are neat, but I also think the industry has grown enough already that they should be able to compete with ICE vehicles on as close to a level playing field as can be arranged. Let them beat the ICE industry by making vehicles that are actually better.

Well, if we were going to have government support anywhere, it should be through encouraging L2 charging availability in new homes and apartment buildings, ideally at a more local level.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by jaywee »

Tade0 wrote: post #60

I have a feeling that half the reason they're doing this is that they don't have a good idea how to increase energy efficiency. Case in point: 2026 BMW i3 - 900km WLTP from a 108kWh battery. 2026 Denza Z9 GT - 800km WLTP from a 122kWh pack. The former charges at a maximum of 400kW, while the latter at over twice that which saves... about 10 minutes at the charger after 450km of driving(12 vs 22 minutes approx). Many…

I think one of the reasons for this is to have very high throughput charging stations in dense urban areas (like central Beijing).

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by conductr »

twoodfin wrote: post #16
ck2 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It’s highly impractical to import cars less than 25 years old into the US for anything beyond “show & display” licensing, and that’s only for select models. Modifying them to meet US safety standards and then getting them approved is arduous and expensive, especially if there’s no comparable US model to emulate / borrow parts.

If they're new they could just be built to pass US safety standards, BYD vehicles perform well on safety ratings and I imagine that's what their strategy has been. Sure still have to go through the procedures but the hard part is done once the regulatory blocks are removed.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by aidenn0 »

durjrjdjdk wrote: post #105
RevEng wrote: post #96

I wonder if Gil Tal has ever used an EV as their daily vehicle. I have had two EVs in the last three years - a Kona and an IONIQ 5. I have greatly enjoyed them both. But one thing was a downside that I just had to accept: poor charging. Granted, I live in the Canadian Prairies full of small towns a fair distance apart. And it's not exactly progressive - I'm actually being taxed for owning an EV. The charging infrastr…

Put diesel generator on trailer, and charge while driving. Best of both worlds!

Kona at least won't drive while charging.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by __oh_es »

ranit wrote: post #107
RevEng wrote: post #96

I wonder if Gil Tal has ever used an EV as their daily vehicle. I have had two EVs in the last three years - a Kona and an IONIQ 5. I have greatly enjoyed them both. But one thing was a downside that I just had to accept: poor charging. Granted, I live in the Canadian Prairies full of small towns a fair distance apart. And it's not exactly progressive - I'm actually being taxed for owning an EV. The charging infrastr…

Could you please elaborate on: > I'm actually being taxed for owning an EV.

Some countries charge a road tax or annual vehicle tax, and ev’s are often except as a green incentive

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by aidenn0 »

RevEng wrote: post #96

I wonder if Gil Tal has ever used an EV as their daily vehicle. I have had two EVs in the last three years - a Kona and an IONIQ 5. I have greatly enjoyed them both. But one thing was a downside that I just had to accept: poor charging. Granted, I live in the Canadian Prairies full of small towns a fair distance apart. And it's not exactly progressive - I'm actually being taxed for owning an EV. The charging infrastr…

Faster charging improves things in more EV-friendly areas as well.

I live in Southern California, and if I take a trip on the weekend that is more than the 240mi. freeway range my Kona gets, I'm never worried about being stranded, but I have waited in line for an hour to charge; sub-10 minute charging would cut wait times too, and is probably necessary if the US both wants to electrify its transportation and still have people take road-trips on major holidays.

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Post by conductr »

airspresso wrote: post #85
philipallstar wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you'd have to be a bit ignorant of very recent history to think that America is some cesspool of lack of innovation in the electric car industry. They invented it, despite there being no competition at the time.

America certainly did not invent electric cars. Depending on which electric car you consider the first real one, the inventor was either French, British or German [1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_electric_vehicl...

GP is talking about the current market and product class, not the drive train/mechanisms. There was ~a century where EVs were effectively nonexistent

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by QGQBGdeZREunxLe »

ranit wrote: post #107
RevEng wrote: post #96

I wonder if Gil Tal has ever used an EV as their daily vehicle. I have had two EVs in the last three years - a Kona and an IONIQ 5. I have greatly enjoyed them both. But one thing was a downside that I just had to accept: poor charging. Granted, I live in the Canadian Prairies full of small towns a fair distance apart. And it's not exactly progressive - I'm actually being taxed for owning an EV. The charging infrastr…

Could you please elaborate on: > I'm actually being taxed for owning an EV.

https://www.saskatchewan.ca/business/taxes-licensing-and-rep...

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by jbm »

ranit wrote: post #107
RevEng wrote: post #96

I wonder if Gil Tal has ever used an EV as their daily vehicle. I have had two EVs in the last three years - a Kona and an IONIQ 5. I have greatly enjoyed them both. But one thing was a downside that I just had to accept: poor charging. Granted, I live in the Canadian Prairies full of small towns a fair distance apart. And it's not exactly progressive - I'm actually being taxed for owning an EV. The charging infrastr…

Could you please elaborate on: > I'm actually being taxed for owning an EV.

Alberta is imposing a charge on EV registrations, and they increased it again this year. At some point I'm hoping courts curtail their attempt at imposing gas cars but given how Canadian courts are hamstrung at obvious human rights issues in places like Quebec, I doubt they will do anything about Alberta either.
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