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Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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Post by _aavaa_ »

troupo wrote: post #107
_aavaa_ wrote: post #96

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At the start of 2025 China didn’t manage to reach their 2020 nuclear target, much less their 2025. Meanwhile they met their 2030 target. Look at their total extra energy generation (including capacity factor) comparing renewables and nuclear: https://cleantechnica.com/2023/02/06/renewables-in-china-tre... The actual lesson here is that beyond a small reserve, the case for nuclear is non existent (unless proponents ar…

> The actual lesson here is that beyond a small reserve, the case for nuclear is non existent Except you know, minor things like base load, energy spikes etc.

How does nuclear, an energy source known for needing to run at a very high capacity factor (i.e at max capacity) help with energy spikes?

Well you better go tell the Chinese that they should slow down on wind and solar, clearly they are misinformed about how to run their grid.

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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Post by defrost »

_aavaa_ wrote: post #111
troupo wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The actual lesson here is that beyond a small reserve, the case for nuclear is non existent Except you know, minor things like base load, energy spikes etc.

How does nuclear, an energy source known for needing to run at a very high capacity factor (i.e at max capacity) help with energy spikes? Well you better go tell the Chinese that they should slow down on wind and solar, clearly they are misinformed about how to run their grid.

The same Chinese who in addition to wind and solar are also building many nuclear energy plants of several differing designs, have nuclear already as 20% (?? or so, IIRC) of their supply capacity and intend by plan to keep it that way?

For whatever reason, the Chinese are all for hybrid nuclear / renewables - and keeping modern more efficient coal plants in the picture until they no longer needed.

The "trending flat" is by design, they want coal and nuclear as still available fallback, nuclear also has national security benefits for deterrence, the expansion plans for nuclear (not major amounts more, just steady low growth) are still on their table, just throttled back somewhat for now and ready to ramp up as they choose.

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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Post by drysine »

troupo wrote: post #110
drysine wrote: post #109

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You really should reread my first comment. As for the treaty you could read other articles in that treaty[0] while you at it: Article 6 Each High Contracting Party shall refrain from participating in, or supporting, any actions directed against the other High Contracting Party, and shall not conclude any treaties with third countries against the other Party. Neither Party shall allow its territory to be used to the d…

So: 1. Ukraine had a very strong ipposition to joining NATO prior to 2014. And according to Putin himself, other countries (Ukraine, Sweden, Finland etc.) joining NATO is those countries' own decision and he's okay with it. If he was against it, has he called any consultation etc.? No he didnt't. He waited until all the way of the end if Yanukovich's term to bribe him... to not sign association agreement with the EU…

>Protection of culture etc. is literally enshrined in Ukranian Constitution

The first thing Ukrainian parliament did after the coup was repelling the law protecting Russian language[0] I recommend reading the whole article, it all went downhill from there.

>Even now you can speak Russian freely in Ukraine despite the war.

Now children are beating children in kindergarten for saying "hello" in Russian. [1]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_Ukraine#Att...

[1] https://t.me/ASupersharij/14855

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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Post by troupo »

drysine wrote: post #113
troupo wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So: 1. Ukraine had a very strong ipposition to joining NATO prior to 2014. And according to Putin himself, other countries (Ukraine, Sweden, Finland etc.) joining NATO is those countries' own decision and he's okay with it. If he was against it, has he called any consultation etc.? No he didnt't. He waited until all the way of the end if Yanukovich's term to bribe him... to not sign association agreement with the EU…

>Protection of culture etc. is literally enshrined in Ukranian Constitution The first thing Ukrainian parliament did after the coup was repelling the law protecting Russian language[0] I recommend reading the whole article, it all went downhill from there. >Even now you can speak Russian freely in Ukraine despite the war. Now children are beating children in kindergarten for saying "hello" in Russian. [1] [0] https:/…

> The first thing Ukrainian parliament did after the coup was repelling the law protecting Russian language

You mean bullshit law that Yanukovich passed for populist reasons. A law that had no meaning or force. Read Ukranian Constitution. Article 10.

It went downhill from there? Really? Russia itself had literally nothing to do with that?

> Now children are beating children in kindergarten for saying "hello" in Russian.

Yes, there are bound to be issues now. I wonder, what could be the reason? It couldn't be the war Russia is waging to eradicate Ukraine, could it?

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In 5 answers to me alone you haven't once acknowledged Russia's actions. You haven't once said that Russia bears any responsibility. You keep grasping at thinner and thinner straws to basically keep saying (through your silence) thatRusdia is pristine, blameless, and totally justified in any and all its actions.

Oh. But then in you worldview Russia "evacuates orphans from war zone" [0] (and not "removes children in war Russia itself started") and "Russia doesn't target civilians" (when Russia explicitly targets civilian buildings) [1]

So before I break HN rules by saying what exactly I think about people like you...

Adieu

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47347616

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47228812

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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Post by [deleted] »

troupo wrote: post #114
drysine wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Protection of culture etc. is literally enshrined in Ukranian Constitution The first thing Ukrainian parliament did after the coup was repelling the law protecting Russian language[0] I recommend reading the whole article, it all went downhill from there. >Even now you can speak Russian freely in Ukraine despite the war. Now children are beating children in kindergarten for saying "hello" in Russian. [1] [0] https:/…

> The first thing Ukrainian parliament did after the coup was repelling the law protecting Russian language You mean bullshit law that Yanukovich passed for populist reasons. A law that had no meaning or force. Read Ukranian Constitution. Article 10. It went downhill from there? Really? Russia itself had literally nothing to do with that? > Now children are beating children in kindergarten for saying "hello" in Russi…

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Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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Post by mongol »

piva00 wrote: post #98
mongol wrote: post #39

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Do we? I see plenty of complaints about high electricity prices and criticism of shutdown of nuclear reactors

We do, it's not our fault that the electricity market in the EU is such that the spot price is based on the most expensive kWh produced in the zone we supply to. It sucks that we have to pay high energy prices because Germany fucked up their energy policies, or because Poland is still mostly coal-based. Nuclear reactors are running, Forsmark, Oskarshamn, and Ringhals are still there and producing 25% of our electrici…

Discussing whose fault it is does not change the fact that a statement such as "we do manage quite well to use green energy for heating during winter in Sweden" is quite questionable. The electricity prices ARE high and they would be significantly lower if we had not decommissioned half of our nuclear reactors

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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Post by leonidasrup »

drysine wrote: post #84
leonidasrup wrote: post #56

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In China there is already small-scale nuclear district heating. "China's Haiyang nuclear power plant in Shandong province has begun its sixth heating season, covering an area of nearly 13 million square metres - 500,000 square metres more than last year." https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/articles/chinas-first-com... Similar plans exist for Finnland. https://thinkatom.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/rauli-parta... In…

These are local solutions, you can't put nuclear reactor in any city, town and village that needs heating

Placement of nuclear reactor very much depends on the design of the reactor and nuclear regulations of the country.

There is currently construction of LDR‑50 reactor in Salmisaari, Helsinki city centre.

https://www.steadyenergy.com/news-article/construction-of-st...

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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Post by leonidasrup »

piva00 wrote: post #98
mongol wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we? I see plenty of complaints about high electricity prices and criticism of shutdown of nuclear reactors

We do, it's not our fault that the electricity market in the EU is such that the spot price is based on the most expensive kWh produced in the zone we supply to. It sucks that we have to pay high energy prices because Germany fucked up their energy policies, or because Poland is still mostly coal-based. Nuclear reactors are running, Forsmark, Oskarshamn, and Ringhals are still there and producing 25% of our electrici…

Poland plans to enter nuclear power. Three AP1000 reactors at the Choczewo site in the voivodeship of Pomerania. The European Commission granted formal approval for state aid in December 2025, including a capital injection of approximately PLN 60 billion (approximately $17 billion) and a 40‑year contract for difference.

https://www.ans.org/news/2026-01-29/article-7720/plans-for-p...

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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Post by leonidasrup »

gib444 wrote: post #51
mytailorisrich wrote: post #45

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The nuclear programme was effectively stopped in France and it is struggling to be revived. As things stand now it won't be able to compensate for the closure of older reactors.

> The nuclear programme was effectively stopped in France and it is struggling to be revived. You're describing France from 2010 to 2020, not today.

Under Hollande, France swung in an anti-nuclear direction, with plans to reduce nuclear power down to 50 percent of the energy mix, fuelled by the post-Fukushima panic. When Emmanuel Macron took power in 2017, he was still committed to this target and closed down Fessenheim in 2020, despite calls from pro-nuclear groups to extend its life.

Following the surge in energy prices triggered by the Ukraine War, France reversed course yet again.

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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Post by piva00 »

mongol wrote: post #116
piva00 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We do, it's not our fault that the electricity market in the EU is such that the spot price is based on the most expensive kWh produced in the zone we supply to. It sucks that we have to pay high energy prices because Germany fucked up their energy policies, or because Poland is still mostly coal-based. Nuclear reactors are running, Forsmark, Oskarshamn, and Ringhals are still there and producing 25% of our electrici…

Discussing whose fault it is does not change the fact that a statement such as "we do manage quite well to use green energy for heating during winter in Sweden" is quite questionable. The electricity prices ARE high and they would be significantly lower if we had not decommissioned half of our nuclear reactors

> The electricity prices ARE high and they would be significantly lower if we had not decommissioned half of our nuclear reactors

Where is the source for this statement?

The prices are not set by our producing costs, do you know how electricity is priced in the EU electricity market?

We do manage quite well, if you understood the pricing mechanism you'd know what I meant instead of knee-jerking into the umbrella "but more nuclear!".

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