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Bombarding gamblers with offers greatly increases betting and gambling harm

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Re: Bombarding gamblers with offers greatly increases betting and gambling harm

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Post by hebelehubele »

vlabakje90 wrote: post #102
utopiah wrote: post #98

Can't wait to see how this (rather unsurprising yet important finding) is going to get abused for and with AI : "Hey, I see we haven't chat / you didn't vibe code for few days now, how about you get 1000 free tokens and we just see where that lead us?" It perfectly aligns with sycophantic interaction and then roulette outcome one gets, sure it might not work 100% of the time but it works most of the time and "I" as a…

You'll enjoy this one: “Parachute Use to Prevent Death and Major Trauma When Jumping from Aircraft: Randomized Controlled Trial.” BMJ, vol. 363, 2018, k5094. https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k5094

> Conclusions Parachute use did not reduce death or major traumatic injury when jumping from aircraft in the first randomized evaluation of this intervention. However, the trial was only able to enroll participants on small stationary aircraft on the ground, suggesting cautious extrapolation to high altitude jumps. When beliefs regarding the effectiveness of an intervention exist in the community, randomized trials might selectively enroll individuals with a lower perceived likelihood of benefit, thus diminishing the applicability of the results to clinical practice.

Re: Bombarding gamblers with offers greatly increases betting and gambling harm

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Post by hebelehubele »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #103
vlabakje90 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'll enjoy this one: “Parachute Use to Prevent Death and Major Trauma When Jumping from Aircraft: Randomized Controlled Trial.” BMJ, vol. 363, 2018, k5094. https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k5094

Is this real?

It likely is :). The participants jumped off of an airplane that was on the ground.

Re: Bombarding gamblers with offers greatly increases betting and gambling harm

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Post by apt-apt-apt-apt »

Study seems flawed– it preselects two different audiences (allow/not-allow offers mapping to something like low/high interest in gambling), then attributes the offers as the cause rather than the effect of selecting different audiences.

Re: Bombarding gamblers with offers greatly increases betting and gambling harm

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Post by c3z_ »

utopiah wrote: post #98

Can't wait to see how this (rather unsurprising yet important finding) is going to get abused for and with AI : "Hey, I see we haven't chat / you didn't vibe code for few days now, how about you get 1000 free tokens and we just see where that lead us?" It perfectly aligns with sycophantic interaction and then roulette outcome one gets, sure it might not work 100% of the time but it works most of the time and "I" as a…

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Re: Bombarding gamblers with offers greatly increases betting and gambling harm

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Post by thn-gap »

FabHK wrote: post #94
rimbo789 wrote: post #3

The legalization and expansion of gambling was a massive mistake and should be undone as soon as possible.

Indeed. I seem to recall reading that among all addictions, gambling addiction had the highest suicide rate. I haven't been able to find a good source on that lamentably, but it seems plausible to me in the sense that many other addictions (alcohol, sex, heroin, etc.) have some sort of end-point built in at which you stop, and typically have only harmed yourself. With gambling you can gamble away your kid's college s…

More than end-point, it's about harm throttling. Cigarettes will kill you, but there's only so many cigarettes you can smoke per day.

Limit gambling to symbolic amounts (maybe a monthly limit of the minimum salary in that country), and see how it goes.

You might even have gambling companies lobbying to increase the minimum salary!

Re: Bombarding gamblers with offers greatly increases betting and gambling harm

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Post by mrmincent »

nswango wrote: post #105
mrmincent wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to work for a (now defunct) wagering operation. From my understanding even internally the marketing and business guys would’ve preferred the advertisements to be banned. It’s such an effective customer acquisition tool that the only way to compete is to spend insane amounts on marketing, because if you don’t, all of your competitors are and you’ll go bust. A ban would drastically level out the playing field an…

Are you claiming that advertising doesn't increase the total gambling spend?

No - it clearly does. But I’m saying look at where the advertising money is going to understand why it’s going to be hard to ban it.

Re: Bombarding gamblers with offers greatly increases betting and gambling harm

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Post by arethuza »

thn-gap wrote: post #115
FabHK wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. I seem to recall reading that among all addictions, gambling addiction had the highest suicide rate. I haven't been able to find a good source on that lamentably, but it seems plausible to me in the sense that many other addictions (alcohol, sex, heroin, etc.) have some sort of end-point built in at which you stop, and typically have only harmed yourself. With gambling you can gamble away your kid's college s…

More than end-point, it's about harm throttling. Cigarettes will kill you, but there's only so many cigarettes you can smoke per day. Limit gambling to symbolic amounts (maybe a monthly limit of the minimum salary in that country), and see how it goes. You might even have gambling companies lobbying to increase the minimum salary!

How do you define "gambling" though - the YouTube ads I see for crypto trading apps and outright betting apps look very similar. Mind you I don't gamble or "invest" in crypto...

Re: Bombarding gamblers with offers greatly increases betting and gambling harm

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Post by razakel »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #103
vlabakje90 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'll enjoy this one: “Parachute Use to Prevent Death and Major Trauma When Jumping from Aircraft: Randomized Controlled Trial.” BMJ, vol. 363, 2018, k5094. https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k5094

Is this real?

The BMJ publishes an annual Christmas joke paper.

For example, "The survival time of chocolates on hospital wards: covert observational study".

Re: Bombarding gamblers with offers greatly increases betting and gambling harm

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Post by razakel »

thn-gap wrote: post #115
FabHK wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. I seem to recall reading that among all addictions, gambling addiction had the highest suicide rate. I haven't been able to find a good source on that lamentably, but it seems plausible to me in the sense that many other addictions (alcohol, sex, heroin, etc.) have some sort of end-point built in at which you stop, and typically have only harmed yourself. With gambling you can gamble away your kid's college s…

More than end-point, it's about harm throttling. Cigarettes will kill you, but there's only so many cigarettes you can smoke per day. Limit gambling to symbolic amounts (maybe a monthly limit of the minimum salary in that country), and see how it goes. You might even have gambling companies lobbying to increase the minimum salary!

One thing the UK did was to ban gambling companies from accepting credit cards.
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