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Objectively, which is hard to say because I’m just obviously not in this position, but if I were in the United States legally and I’m looking at three options… 1. I take self-deportation offer. At Christmas it was $3000 a person, but usually $1000, a commercial plane ticket anywhere, and I can come back to the US upon following the legal method. I can say goodbye to people I can sell my things. I can do this on my ow…
1. You will be deported to your country of origin one way ticket; there is no picking and choosing here 3. If you are detained by ICE even if you do have legal status they will endlessly pressure you into singing away your rights, you will be lucky to even speak to you NGO lawyer because every few days you are shipped between detention locations. Even if you choose to self-deport you have to be detained by ICE and co…
But let’s say that’s the case… doesn’t that just prove my point that if you are here illegally, that it make no sense to stay?
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Objectively, which is hard to say because I’m just obviously not in this position, but if I were in the United States legally and I’m looking at three options… 1. I take self-deportation offer. At Christmas it was $3000 a person, but usually $1000, a commercial plane ticket anywhere, and I can come back to the US upon following the legal method. I can say goodbye to people I can sell my things. I can do this on my ow…
This administration changes its tune based on what business/tech leaders are telling them[0][1]. There's no doubt that ICE will be used for selective enforcement (as we've seen them used at American protests) but some immigrants are probably staying based on the reality that business interests are more important. Also, I would be hesitant to say that immigrants being targeted by ICE are "illegal" as we saw some be de…
Oh ya, I remember that. The Democrat bill with a few Republicans that conservatives call RINOs on board. Collins, McConnell, Murkowski, etc.
Again, objectively, it does look bad that bill was to secure the border but Trump Admin seems to have done that without a bill.
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Objectively, which is hard to say because I’m just obviously not in this position, but if I were in the United States legally and I’m looking at three options… 1. I take self-deportation offer. At Christmas it was $3000 a person, but usually $1000, a commercial plane ticket anywhere, and I can come back to the US upon following the legal method. I can say goodbye to people I can sell my things. I can do this on my ow…
"A commercial plane ticket anywhere" != the legal right to go anywhere Pretty much you go back to your country of origin Typically people take on the immense risk and challenge of leaving their country of origin to come here because their country of origin has really bad problems Those problems likely still exist or have gotten worse over the last several years due to (if nothing else) COVID further separating the US…
Is this not just? Is this not what every other country in the world would do? Is there a European country you can stay in illegally? Do any of them run remigration programs with cash and free flights to where you came from?
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"A commercial plane ticket anywhere" != the legal right to go anywhere Pretty much you go back to your country of origin Typically people take on the immense risk and challenge of leaving their country of origin to come here because their country of origin has really bad problems Those problems likely still exist or have gotten worse over the last several years due to (if nothing else) COVID further separating the US…
> Pretty much you go back to your country of origin Is this not just? Is this not what every other country in the world would do? Is there a European country you can stay in illegally? Do any of them run remigration programs with cash and free flights to where you came from?
I said that your logic tree elides the fact that they would be going back to a place that they already accepted an immense amount of risk and effort to leave.
In other words: for many people, the US + ICE risk (relatively low risk of catastrophic outcome) is still far better than their home country (high risk of pretty bad outcome)
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1. You will be deported to your country of origin one way ticket; there is no picking and choosing here 3. If you are detained by ICE even if you do have legal status they will endlessly pressure you into singing away your rights, you will be lucky to even speak to you NGO lawyer because every few days you are shipped between detention locations. Even if you choose to self-deport you have to be detained by ICE and co…
Your number 3 makes no sense, if you have “signed your rights away” why would they move you? For fun? But let’s say that’s the case… doesn’t that just prove my point that if you are here illegally, that it make no sense to stay?
You: doesn’t that just prove my point that if you are here __illegally__
They're talking about the now well-established fact that ICE is pursuing people who have legal status in this country and using all sorts of tricks (both legal and illegal) to prevent them from exercising their rights.
Here's one example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_of_R%C3%BCmeysa_%C3%...
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This administration changes its tune based on what business/tech leaders are telling them[0][1]. There's no doubt that ICE will be used for selective enforcement (as we've seen them used at American protests) but some immigrants are probably staying based on the reality that business interests are more important. Also, I would be hesitant to say that immigrants being targeted by ICE are "illegal" as we saw some be de…
> The 2024 border bill Oh ya, I remember that. The Democrat bill with a few Republicans that conservatives call RINOs on board. Collins, McConnell, Murkowski, etc. Again, objectively, it does look bad that bill was to secure the border but Trump Admin seems to have done that without a bill.
This is a matter of simply breaking the law.
The border is secured in the sense that Trump has made the US such an unappealing destination that fewer people want to risk it. It's a valid strategy (if awful) except in that doing so essentially requires the government to violate laws.
Turns out it's easy to "solve problems" when you aren't constrained by laws. Not an insight whatsoever.
Specific laws being violated:
* Due Process protections
* Equal Protection
* Asylum laws
Actually towards the end of the Biden administration, they engaged in similar law-breaking because immigration was obviously going to be such a political liability going into the election. Those moves have since been found to be illegal: https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/district-court-strikes-d...
Most of the Trump admin's moves to make the US so unappealing that no one wants to risk coming here will also ultimately be found to be illegal.
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Ask and ye shall receive: https://manifold.markets/benmanns/aliensgov-prop-bets (play money). I set this up so multiple can resolve and other users can add additional speculations.
This is so smart. Gambling with fake money. I love the idea of polybet but would never invest into it. Gonna check this out
I'm not a gambler, but there should be a thing on those gambling sites on whether this is about extraterrestrial life or mexicans
Who said it’s a binary choice? Could have extraterrestrials taking advantage of our weak southern border to enter the country.
Have you not been paying attention to this administration?